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Nuts and Bolts - By Tim Staples: Mary Worshippers Need Not Apply
Envoy ^ | Tim Staples

Posted on 02/15/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by GonzoII

The Scenario:

Ever have one of those days when you’re feeling full of energy and vigor? I mean, you’re feeling just obnoxiously happy? Well, this is one of those days.

Driving home from work, you switch on the radio to see what’s happening, and you tune in to a local Protestant radio station just in time to hear a preacher speaking against various Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. The show is called Pastor Bob’s Bible Hour. Pastor Bob proclaims: “Jesus knew Catholics would come along and begin to worship His mother and call her perpetual virgin and absurd things like that. But the Bible says: ‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of His sisters with us?’ (Matt. 13:55-56a). And isn’t it sad, my brothers and sisters?”

Pastor Bob goes on to say: “Jesus dealt with these Mary worshippers in His day. In Luke 11:27-28, the Bible says, ‘A woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts that You sucked!” But He said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”’”

On a normal day you would probably just listen, take a few mental notes and drive on. But not this time. You’re feeling a little bit too saucy. You take the first exit you see and head for a phone. This is just one more reason why you need to buy that cell phone you’ve been talking about getting.

Step One:

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History
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To: editor-surveyor

By now you must know from experience that he doesn’t do specific answers.

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Particularly, it usually seems,

specific answers which context and logic require Christian honesty in delineating.

. . . unless a new level of brazeness seems to be on offer for the moment.


741 posted on 02/18/2010 4:54:29 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: editor-surveyor

Not just that . . . but that Mary remains

HOLY SPIRIT’S SPOUSE in heaven.


742 posted on 02/18/2010 4:55:11 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Petronski

Ahhhhhhhhhhh . . .

yet again . . . so erudite . . .

so candid . . .

so informed . . .

so Biblical . . .

so full of integrity . . .

so full of accuracy to the facts . . .

so impressive.


743 posted on 02/18/2010 4:56:18 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Belteshazzar
How very Roman. Sitting in the judgment seat comes much more naturally to you than the witness stand.

Since we are unacquainted, *your* judgment of me is flawed.

744 posted on 02/18/2010 4:56:32 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: Petronski

What is the difference?

Mary is 99.9999999999999999999999% God?


745 posted on 02/18/2010 4:57:22 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix; Petronski

Ahhhhhhhhhhh . . .

yet again . . . so erudite . . .

so candid . . .

so informed . . .

so Biblical . . .

so full of integrity . . .

so full of accuracy to the facts . . .

so impressive.

_______________________________________________________

Yes, Quix, Petronski is all of that.


746 posted on 02/18/2010 4:57:42 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: Belteshazzar

It’s refreshing to see someone such as yourself post with such accurate and impressive REALITY TESTING in such matters.


747 posted on 02/18/2010 4:58:29 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: RnMomof7

He certainly could’ve, but He wanted to show how much He loved us. And He gave us a free will so that we could reject Him if we chose.

If you agree that God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, then who He is never changes. All of God’s instructions to Moses (and Moses’ shining face after being in the presence of God), Isaiah’s attitude of humility and the angel having to touch his lips with the burning coal to purify him, all the incidents in the Old Testament such as when David brought the Ark of the Covenant back and a man reached out his hand to steady it on the cart and then was struck dead for touching it, makes you realize how holy God is. It doesn’t make sense that He would live and grow inside a woman who was not totally pure and holy. If a man could die merely from touching the Ark of the Covenant, there is no way that a woman could live and carry God in her womb if she were not totally pure and holy.


748 posted on 02/18/2010 4:58:50 PM PST by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: Belteshazzar

Yeah, Jesus will likely come first.


749 posted on 02/18/2010 4:59:03 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
Mary is 99.9999999999999999999999% God?

Mary is the Queen of Heaven. 100% Human, assumed into heaven by her Son.

750 posted on 02/18/2010 4:59:19 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: Petronski

A new low in mind reading?


751 posted on 02/18/2010 4:59:49 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Judith Anne

No.

Not for those of us who wish to discourse about serious issues of faith and practice in the Christian Church at large.

However, thankfully, the lurkers are not as dum, ignorant, blind and stupid as so many Roman Catholic et al posters seem to think they are.


752 posted on 02/18/2010 5:01:16 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: nanetteclaret

So very beautifully said, Nanette. Thanks.


753 posted on 02/18/2010 5:01:26 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: Quix

Quix, if Catholics thought lurkers were dumb, we wouldn’t bother with the trash that the anti-Catholic bigots spew endlessly.


754 posted on 02/18/2010 5:02:47 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: nanetteclaret
It doesn’t make sense that He would live and grow inside a woman who was not totally pure and holy. If a man could die merely from touching the Ark of the Covenant, there is no way that a woman could live and carry God in her womb if she were not totally pure and holy.

Jesus came here to walk the same soil we do, He got dirty feet, He sweated, scripture says he was tempted as we are.. to have this happen He had to have a HUMAN, TEMPTABLE nature . Remember He ate with sinners.. Do you think God could not remain God in the presence of sin??? Catholics do not have a Jesus that is 100% man and 100% God..

755 posted on 02/18/2010 5:03:36 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Marysecretary

I guess some folks are chronically losing their passifiers.


756 posted on 02/18/2010 5:05:17 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: RnMomof7
Catholics do not have a Jesus that is 100% man and 100% God..

Getting dirty feet is no sin. Neither is sweating. Neither is being tempted. Yet Christ, the Risen Son of the Living God, and Savior of Church, is fully man and fully God. Numerical percentages are simple foolishness.

757 posted on 02/18/2010 5:07:08 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: Petronski

YOU SURE ARE.


758 posted on 02/18/2010 5:11:46 PM PST by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Quix

But, but, “there is no marriage in Heaven” per Jesus


759 posted on 02/18/2010 5:12:26 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: RnMomof7

The Bible does not say that He had a temptable nature, just that the devil tempted Him. A temptable nature would be one that succumbs. Adam and Eve were pure in the Garden until the serpent tempted them. They didn’t have a temptable nature at that point, but they succumbed and from then on, they did.

I will be happy to converse with you, but if you are going to start making personal comments about Catholic beliefs (since you aren’t one), then I won’t be able to talk to you any more. And by the way, I grew up Presbyterian, so I know Protestant beliefs quite well since I was one for a long time.


760 posted on 02/18/2010 5:17:20 PM PST by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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