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Nuts and Bolts - By Tim Staples: Mary Worshippers Need Not Apply
Envoy ^ | Tim Staples

Posted on 02/15/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by GonzoII

The Scenario:

Ever have one of those days when you’re feeling full of energy and vigor? I mean, you’re feeling just obnoxiously happy? Well, this is one of those days.

Driving home from work, you switch on the radio to see what’s happening, and you tune in to a local Protestant radio station just in time to hear a preacher speaking against various Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. The show is called Pastor Bob’s Bible Hour. Pastor Bob proclaims: “Jesus knew Catholics would come along and begin to worship His mother and call her perpetual virgin and absurd things like that. But the Bible says: ‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of His sisters with us?’ (Matt. 13:55-56a). And isn’t it sad, my brothers and sisters?”

Pastor Bob goes on to say: “Jesus dealt with these Mary worshippers in His day. In Luke 11:27-28, the Bible says, ‘A woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts that You sucked!” But He said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”’”

On a normal day you would probably just listen, take a few mental notes and drive on. But not this time. You’re feeling a little bit too saucy. You take the first exit you see and head for a phone. This is just one more reason why you need to buy that cell phone you’ve been talking about getting.

Step One:

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To: Petronski; Dr. Eckleburg
Pray means ask. A prayer is a request. Directing our requests to Mary for her intercession is described in shorthand as “praying to” her.

It was said that Catholics are asking Mary to pray for them or with them, not one sign of that in the prayers I posted ..that was my point..they were asking Mary to do something for them or offering themselves not to Christ, but Mary

Once again there is not one iota of proof that the dead can hear prayers to them said all over the world at the same time,,that would make them omnipresent and that is an attribute of God

301 posted on 02/17/2010 12:49:51 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: Pyro7480

Nice YOPIOS. Reading the full chapter, the woman is Israel, for the Christian church has never fled into the wilderness, nor has the devil waged war with a remnant of her seed.


302 posted on 02/17/2010 12:55:52 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Petronski; Dr. Eckleburg
You are commanding us not to do what Scripture does not command us not to do. Sorry, you don’t get that kind of power.

Making doctrine based on the silence of scripture is a spiritually dangerous thing.. Lets see, maybe the scientologists are right, maybe jesus was a space man sent from a far off planet to work with men, scripture does not tell us that jesus is not the archangel Michael..maybe the JWs are right, scripture does not tell us that peter, paul were not also assumed into heaven..so they must have been .

We can just make it up as we go along, because the scripture does not speak to that.. Ohhh wait a minute the catholic church is already doing that

303 posted on 02/17/2010 12:56:03 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: Petronski
Why not just go boldly before the throne of God with your requests?

I asked first, you do not want to answer?

304 posted on 02/17/2010 1:00:45 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: Petronski
Of course not. Faith AND works are required.

Scripture please

305 posted on 02/17/2010 1:01:26 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: GonzoII

Are they infallible? Do you accept EVERY word of these Fathers are true and correct... careful now


306 posted on 02/17/2010 1:02:36 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: Pyro7480
God carried Israel into the desert, the 12 tribes are Israel

Exodus 19

Then Moses went up to God, and the Lord called to him from the mountain and said, “This is what you are to say to the house of Jacob and what you are to tell the people of Israel: 4‘You yourselves have seen what I did to Egypt, and how I carried you on eagles’ wings and brought you to myself.

The Church is the bride. A man does not marry his mother

Isaiah 61:10

I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

307 posted on 02/17/2010 1:06:06 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Petronski; Dr. Eckleburg
You seem genuinely to not understand the role of His miracles in His mission.

What was the role of miracles in Christ's ministry in your mind??

308 posted on 02/17/2010 1:06:43 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Reading the full chapter, the woman is Israel, for the Christian church has never fled into the wilderness, nor has the devil waged war with a remnant of her seed.

That's YOPIOS. How can Israel be Christ's Mother? But we do from Scripture that Mary, along with her spouse Joseph, fled into the wilderness due to Herod seeking the Child's life.

309 posted on 02/17/2010 1:06:59 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: RnMomof7
Once again there is not one iota of proof that the dead can hear prayers to them said all over the world at the same time,,that would make them omnipresent and that is an attribute of God...

The ability to hear our prayers is an ability God gives them.

310 posted on 02/17/2010 1:07:23 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: RnMomof7
Making doctrine based on the silence of scripture is a spiritually dangerous thing.

The false doctrine of men insisting we must not ask the Saints in Heaven to pray for us is a spiritually dangerous thing.

311 posted on 02/17/2010 1:08:40 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: GonzoII

“What do mean by the implication that their time is not finished?”

“They still have work to do on earth, the Blessed Virgin Mary’s earthly life is complete and rewarded therefor we see her as an example to be followed.”

What work is it that Enoch and Elijah still have to do on earth?


312 posted on 02/17/2010 1:09:21 PM PST by oworm
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To: GonzoII; Dr. Eckleburg
Where in Scripture are we told to pray to anyone who may or may not be now in heaven other than the Triune God who is in heaven?"
Where in Scripture does it say it has to be there?

Where in scripture does it say to talk to or pray to anyone in heaven but God?

Can people in hell be intercessors? purgatory? What if the person you are praying to is in hell?

313 posted on 02/17/2010 1:09:32 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: RnMomof7
Why not just go boldly before the throne of God with your requests?

So naturally you never ask others to pray for you.

314 posted on 02/17/2010 1:09:51 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: 1000 silverlings
The Church is the bride. A man does not marry his mother

That's not what the Church teaches. The Church teaches that Mary is the Queen Mother, not the Queen Consort, as I said above.

315 posted on 02/17/2010 1:09:53 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: RnMomof7
Scripture please...

You like making that demand, but you have no Scriptural mandate to do so. Unless, that is, you can prove sola Scriptura is mandated by Scripture.

316 posted on 02/17/2010 1:10:42 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: RnMomof7
Christ's ministry in your mind??

Christ's ministry is not merely in my mind (or any other mortal mind). It is real.

317 posted on 02/17/2010 1:11:56 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: RnMomof7
I would never demand that other Christians honor Jesus' mother. With all the real perversions in the world, I don't think it's appropriate to look for "specks of dust" that differentiate us. Unless it can be done in a loving manner.


Doctor Scott Hahn was an anti-Catholic, fervent Protestant, who converted to Catholisism, after researching the "problems with Catholisism" for a book he was working on.

Dr. Hahn lovingly explains why his research found The Catholic Church to be the true to the Word of God.

Dr. Scott Hahn

Matthew

Chapter 7

1 "Stop judging, that you may not be judged.

2 For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you.

3 Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye?

4 How can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove that splinter from your eye,' while the wooden beam is in your eye?

5 You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye.

318 posted on 02/17/2010 1:13:19 PM PST by mgist
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To: 1000 silverlings

Good post, they do say she is sitting on a throne next to Christ.. and somehow she is totally absent from Johns vision of heaven.. of course she has flown away on the wings of an eagle.. maybe that is why we can not see her HUH??


319 posted on 02/17/2010 1:13:37 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen.)
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To: RnMomof7
Where in scripture does it say to talk to or pray to anyone in heaven but God?

In all of Scripture, or in your redacted version?

Where in Scripture does it say NOT to talk to or pray to anyone in heaven?

Where in Scripture is this mandate sola Scriptura?

320 posted on 02/17/2010 1:13:39 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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