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Nuts and Bolts - By Tim Staples: Mary Worshippers Need Not Apply
Envoy ^ | Tim Staples

Posted on 02/15/2010 9:07:17 AM PST by GonzoII

The Scenario:

Ever have one of those days when you’re feeling full of energy and vigor? I mean, you’re feeling just obnoxiously happy? Well, this is one of those days.

Driving home from work, you switch on the radio to see what’s happening, and you tune in to a local Protestant radio station just in time to hear a preacher speaking against various Catholic doctrines concerning Mary. The show is called Pastor Bob’s Bible Hour. Pastor Bob proclaims: “Jesus knew Catholics would come along and begin to worship His mother and call her perpetual virgin and absurd things like that. But the Bible says: ‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of His sisters with us?’ (Matt. 13:55-56a). And isn’t it sad, my brothers and sisters?”

Pastor Bob goes on to say: “Jesus dealt with these Mary worshippers in His day. In Luke 11:27-28, the Bible says, ‘A woman in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts that You sucked!” But He said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”’”

On a normal day you would probably just listen, take a few mental notes and drive on. But not this time. You’re feeling a little bit too saucy. You take the first exit you see and head for a phone. This is just one more reason why you need to buy that cell phone you’ve been talking about getting.

Step One:

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History
KEYWORDS: bvm; catholic; mariolatry; moapb; ourlady
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To: 1000 silverlings; trisham
Was it fleeing into the desert on eagle’s wings, 3 years pregnant and travailing?

No! Mary used her gamma rays to stop the rotation of the earth!


1,181 posted on 02/19/2010 4:20:38 PM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: the_conscience

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1,182 posted on 02/19/2010 4:24:26 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: mgist; Marysecretary; the_conscience; Quix
You need to read the theology of the Catholic church. The problem is not that she is the blessed mother of Jesus. The problem is the theology that makes her "the firstborn of all creation", the "dispenser of all graces", the "advocate between men and Christ", the "Queen of Heaven, sitting on a throne, and so on. Especially when she is put between men and Christ and everything else unbiblical. That's the problem.
1,183 posted on 02/19/2010 4:25:36 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: the_conscience

Well that explains the time warp!


1,184 posted on 02/19/2010 4:26:37 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings
I lived the theology of the Catholic church all my life. The Blessed Mother is simply the Mother of our Savior. The Gold Sandard role model of a Christian woman. What entitles you to understand something, that Catholics don't?

If I kiss my bible, does that mean I love leather and paper? Could it possibly mean I love the Word of God?Your interpretation of Catholic beliefs, is simply a lack understanding.

The Pharisees didn't understand Jesus' explanation of God's love. They also felt entitled to crucify him. We know how Jesus felt about them.

We live in a world of Buddhism, Hinduism, Judaism, Athiesm, and New Age cults, yet you choose to attack Catholics who also recognize Jesus as our Savior? Why?

1,185 posted on 02/19/2010 4:40:32 PM PST by mgist
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To: mgist

Why is discussing different theology beliefs on a religion forum set up to discuss theology, “attacking” anybody?


1,186 posted on 02/19/2010 4:44:18 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: PAR35

It was not an accusation, it was a request, and I repeat it now.


1,187 posted on 02/19/2010 4:45:29 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: RnMomof7
when reading scripture we should eliminate part of the scripture that doesn't fit?

We read it all, but we understand metaphore when metaphore is used. The eagle wing passage also applies to Mary, like the door passage applies to Jesus. It is most likely a reference to her assumption into heaven.

[St. Peter] was part of the reason that council was called

No kidding. He had the vision of all foods becoming clean and he converted the first Gentile, so yes, definitely. He also did most of the speaking.

he was pope before he had the Holy Spirit

Or, at least, he received the command to become one. Protestant translations, by the way, routinely insert "elder" where either "episcopos" (bishop) or "presbyteros" (priest) is used in the original. This is just not a belief system based on honesty. Anyway, if you tell me which verse in your translation identified Peter as "elder" I will tell you what the Bible really says.

1,188 posted on 02/19/2010 4:51:54 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012; RnMomof7
see the woman in Rev 12 as the wife of YHvH, Israel

Except that she is identified in the text as mother of Christ rather than Mrs. YHvH. I just read what is written.

1,189 posted on 02/19/2010 4:55:29 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; RnMomof7
The eagle wing passage also applies to Mary,

sorry but that is YOPIOS. Using that excuse for hermeneutics, makes chaos and nonsense out of biblical interpretation and understanding. You have to use the whole passage, in context, and use the whole bible for interpretation, not imagination or "feel good" theology.

1,190 posted on 02/19/2010 4:55:59 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Judith Anne

I’m not going to rise to the bait.


1,191 posted on 02/19/2010 4:58:21 PM PST by PAR35
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To: 1000 silverlings
Why is discussing different theology beliefs on a religion forum set up to discuss theology, “attacking” anybody?

It's all in the technique. For instance, someone could ask, "Why does Mary hold such a high position in your Church?" or someone could ask, "Why are you Romish cultists always worshipping that sinner, Mary?"

That may be difficult to understand. No problem. It's hard to rise above bigotry.

1,192 posted on 02/19/2010 5:00:58 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: 1000 silverlings
Why is discussing different theology beliefs on a religion forum set up to discuss theology, “attacking” anybody? Because you are making false accusations. You are refusing to accept a Catholic explanation, you are mocking the Mother of our Savior, as if she were a meaningless statue. If we defend her, you accuse us of worship. You are claiming us guilty, and refusing to accept heartfelt explanations. You are being offensive. How would you describe that?
1,193 posted on 02/19/2010 5:11:21 PM PST by mgist
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To: Judith Anne; the_conscience; RnMomof7; wmfights; Quix; editor-surveyor
You are quick to ascribe "bigotry" to authentic intelligent theological discourse. Question a Mormon why they believe that Joseph Smith stands between man and Jesus, and you will get the same response as why I am somehow a bigot for asking why Catholic theology says that Mary stands between man and Christ. Since the bible does not support either the Mormon or Catholic view, and all extra biblical writings are merely opinion of different men, and is truly philosophy in reality, and not theology, one is not a "bigot" for questioning it. Nor are we "bigots" for steadfastly believing the word of God, and not the word or opinions, of men.

Two other people that I have pinged routinely disagree with me on biblical issues, and then we defend our positions using scripture, and even then we still disagree, sometimes contentiously. however, neither one has called me "a bigot" for "attacking" their beliefs nor have I ever thought they were anything other than the finest Christians. Disagreement is not "hatred".

1,194 posted on 02/19/2010 5:14:13 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

To repeat:

It’s all in the technique. For instance, someone could ask, “Why does Mary hold such a high position in your Church?” or someone could ask, “Why are you Romish cultists always worshipping that sinner, Mary?”

To add:

And we know, from all the posts over many years, that any answer will be met with: “Aha! You admit RC’s are a cult, that you bow down to idols and worship them! Frankly, we fear you are going to perdition!”

It doesn’t matter what Catholics say, the bigots are only preaching to the lurkers anyway. Asking the same question over and over and over again, rejecting the answer, and calumnizing the answerer is a game. We Catholics know it. So we are not impressed when our antagonists insist their questions are sincere. We know full well they are not.

How? By experience over years.

We also know that laying out the game like this will bring a charge of “whining.” Does that bother us? Nope. It is as true as all the other charges the enemies of the Church lay out.

“But we love Catholics!” some aver. I have news for those people: we Catholics know what love feels like, and none of it is present in 99 percent of our castigaters.

The bigots think they have a better way: well, git on down that road with your bad self, I say, and leave us alone.

Oh, and to the amen chorus above: pathetic.


1,195 posted on 02/19/2010 5:14:34 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: mgist
I will consider every biblical proof that you offer, but I do not have to take the word of men over God's word, in fact, I am forbidden by the bible, God really, to take their word over His.
1,196 posted on 02/19/2010 5:17:17 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Judith Anne
To repeat: It’s all in the technique

Then you might want to reconsider calling people that you don't know, "bigots"

1,197 posted on 02/19/2010 5:19:06 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Main Entry: big·ot Pronunciation: \ˈbi-gət\ Function: noun Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot Date: 1660 : a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance — big·ot·ed \-gə-təd\ adjective — big·ot·ed·ly adverb _________________________________________ If the shoe fits... You say, "one is not a "bigot" for questioning it. Nor are we "bigots" for steadfastly believing the word of God, and not the word or opinions, of men." We tell you we have a DIFFERENT standard than yours, and you continue to attempt to hold us to yours. Pointless, and bigoted.
1,198 posted on 02/19/2010 5:20:18 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: Judith Anne

Please stop with the personal attacks and don’t make this thread about me.


1,199 posted on 02/19/2010 5:21:59 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

No, I have come to this conclusion after nearly 10 years of reading protestant posts on the religion forum, interacting with the posters, and observing the behavior.

Now, all the protestants blend together. Who cares what any of you say? Not me.


1,200 posted on 02/19/2010 5:22:09 PM PST by Judith Anne
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