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The Polygamists
National Geographic ^ | February, 2010 | Scott Anderson

Posted on 02/03/2010 8:06:37 AM PST by Colofornian

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THE PRINCIPLE of plural marriage was revealed to the Mormons amid much secrecy. Dark clouds hovered over the church in the early 1840s, after rumors spread that its founder, Joseph Smith, had taken up the practice of polygamy. While denying the charge in public, by 1843 Smith had shared a revelation with his closest disciples. In this "new and everlasting covenant" with God, plural wives were to be taken so that the faithful might "multiply and replenish the earth."

After Smith was assassinated by an anti-Mormon mob in Illinois, Brigham Young led believers on an epic 1,300-mile journey west to the Salt Lake Basin of present-day Utah. There the covenant was at last publicly revealed and with it, the notion that a man's righteousness before God would be measured by the size of his family; Brigham Young himself took 55 wives, who bore him 57 children.

But in 1890, faced with the seizure of church property under a federal antipolygamy law, the LDS leadership issued a manifesto announcing an end to plural marriage. That certainly didn't end the practice, and the LDS's tortured handling of the issue—some church leaders remained in plural marriages or even took on new wives after the manifesto's release—contributed to the schism between the LDS and the fundamentalists.

"The LDS issued that manifesto for political purposes, then later claimed it was a revelation," says Willie Jessop, the FLDS spokesman.

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TOPICS: General Discusssion; History; Other Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: christian; christianpolygamy; flds; lds; ldsbashfest2010; mormon; notthiscrapagain; polygamy; urbiasisshowing
From the article: Charges that a theocratic dictatorship was taking root in the Arizona Strip grew louder when, after Rulon's death in 2002, the FLDS was taken over by his 46-year-old son, Warren...Although many FLDS men have multiple wives, the number of wives of those closest to the prophet can reach into the double digits. A church document called the Bishop's Record, seized during the Texas raid, shows that one of Jeffs's lieutenants, Wendell Niel­sen, claims 21 wives. And although the FLDS would not disclose how many plural wives Warren Jeffs has taken (some estimate more than 80), at least one was an underage girl, according to a Texas indictment.

From the article: Equally contentious has been the FLDS restoration of an early Mormon policy of transferring the wives and children of a church member to another man...critics argue that under Jeffs this "reassignment" became one more weapon to hold over the heads of those who dared step out of line.

From the article: Determining who is unworthy has been the exclusive province of the prophet. When in January 2004 Jeffs publicly ordered the expulsion of 21 men and the reassignment of their families, the community acquiesced. Jeffs's diary, also seized during the Texas raid, reveals a man who micromanaged the community's every decision, from chore assignments and housing arrangements to who married whom and which men were ousted—all directed by revelations Jeffs received as he slept. He claimed that God guided his every action, no matter how small. One diary entry reads: "The Lord directed that I go to the sun tanning salon and get sun tanned more evenly on their suntanning beds."

From the article:: Yet Jeffs's smiling portrait continues to adorn the living room of almost every FLDS home...In his diary Jeffs recounts reassigning the wives of three men, including his brother David, because God had shown him that they "couldn't exalt their ladies, had lost the confidence of God." One of his brother's wives had difficulty accepting the news and could barely bring herself to kiss her new husband. "She showed a great spirit of resistance, yet she went through with it," Jeffs records. "She needs to learn to submit to Priesthood."

1 posted on 02/03/2010 8:06:37 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Reads like an episode from:

2 posted on 02/03/2010 8:08:27 AM PST by TSgt (I long for Norman Rockwell's America.)
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To: MikeWUSAF; All

Fascinating show. Sundays HBO.
HBO on Demand will catch you up on all episodes.


3 posted on 02/03/2010 8:12:30 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Colofornian

By the fruit of Joseph Smith we will know him.. . . . .


4 posted on 02/03/2010 8:12:38 AM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: MikeWUSAF
"one was an underage girl"

OK, the guy got it right 79 of 80 times and you want to press the issue, sheesh./sarcasm

5 posted on 02/03/2010 8:35:50 AM PST by exnavy (may the streets run red with the blood of tyrants)
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To: patriot08
Fascinating show. Sundays HBO.

That show certainly isn't any recommendation for the joys of polygamy, LOL...Don and Bill are both finding out that it's not all it's advertised to be.

6 posted on 02/03/2010 8:38:50 AM PST by greyfoxx39 ("The Economy Is So Bad, Even 'Rosy Scenario' Lost Her Job"-Jim Geraghty)
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To: Godzilla; Colofornian

In this “new and everlasting covenant” with God, plural wives were to be taken so that the faithful might “multiply and replenish the earth.”

... Brigham Young led believers on an epic 1,300-mile journey west to the Salt Lake Basin of present-day Utah. There the covenant was at last publicly revealed and with it, the notion that a man’s righteousness before God would be measured by the size of his family; Brigham Young himself took 55 wives, who bore him 57 children.
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Couple of things..

Some of Joey Smith’s children died childless..

He only had a handful of grandchildren...

And his main son was not a polygamist....

Since the excuse behind polygamy was to “multiply and replenish the earth.”

it wasnt from trying on Joey’s part that he failed...

Joey got to work with gusto...

Of 40+ one night stands he got about 4 illegitimate children

Emma his legal wife had about 4 surviving children...

All 8 could have been accomplished with only ONE wife...

Brigham Young did even worse...

For most of his one night stands he only got one child or none...

So did they disobey the mormon god ???

Then there were the mormon guys who did not rate a wife because:

There were none to spare...

They didnt deserve one...BY decided who mated with whom..

Joey Smith or Brigham Young stole their wife...

It would seem that by doing it the old fashioned way...

ONE MAN ONE WOMAN...

Much more would have been accomplished in a much shorter amount of time...

If each of those 100 moman had had a husband and one of their own alone...

The chances that the women would have all had 8-10 children each...

(as my apostate female ancestors did...)

would have increase several times by 1875 when BY died...

Instead of only 65 children...

There might well have been 800-1,000 new little mormons ..

plus their own children...

Say 5,000 more...

Just out of those there could have been another 13,000,000 BIC mormons in the US alone in 2010...

But JS and BY didnt obey the mormon god...

The idea was to muliple children and not one night stands..


7 posted on 02/03/2010 8:45:41 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian
Always the story about the "anti Mormon mob", and yet virtually all the people in that particular "mob" had been (and were still) Mormons.

This event that overtook Smith himself was just another in a long line of disputes internal to Mormonism and its many different groups ~ "sects" if you want to call them that.

What I've always found interesting is that while Smith was sitting there in jail he had his pistol at the ready. Obviously the situation he faced was a tad different than he might today.

8 posted on 02/03/2010 8:47:55 AM PST by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: muawiyah
What I've always found interesting is that while Smith was sitting there in jail he had his pistol at the ready. Obviously the situation he faced was a tad different than he might today.

Exactly. The four Mormon leaders had two weapons between them while incarcerated. They also fired them; Smith shot a few men. (Not exactly a "martyr" in the image of Jesus Christ)

Today, if we found out 2 of 4 inmates were shot & killed in possession of two firearms...I don't think we'd think much of it...and I don't think that jail would eventually become an American mecca pilgrimage to see where their "martyr" died. But that's Nauvoo, IL today.

9 posted on 02/03/2010 8:56:52 AM PST by Colofornian (As the Lds once were, the fLDS are; as the fLDS are, the LDS will become.)
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To: Tennessee Nana; Elsie
Since the excuse behind polygamy was to “multiply and replenish the earth.” it wasnt from trying on Joey’s part that he failed...Joey got to work with gusto...Of 40+ one night stands he got about 4 illegitimate children

TN, you raise an excellent point -- and one rarely emphasized. What you say, and whenever you repeat this again, this needs to be stressed against the backdrop of Jacob 2:24-30 & D&C 132:30 -- Mormon "scripture":

Although Jacob 2 in the Book of Mormon is anti-polygamy...some Mormons have pulled out Jacob 2:30 -- the phrase "raise up seed" -- as justification for Smith's polygamy. Certainly, Smith tried to justify Abraham's one-night or two-night stand with Hagar on that basis:

30 Abraham received promises concerning his seed, and of the fruit of his loins—from whose loins ye are, namely, my servant Joseph—which were to continue so long as they were in the world; and as touching Abraham and his seed, out of the world they should continue; both in the world and out of the world should they continue as innumerable as the stars; or, if ye were to count the sand upon the seashore ye could not number them.

The point here is that if God was instructing Smith to engage in polygamy to "raise up seed", then the Mormon god didn't know the future...and was surprised by that gun battle exchange in the Nauvoo jail.

10 posted on 02/03/2010 9:08:20 AM PST by Colofornian (As the Lds once were, the fLDS are; as the fLDS are, the LDS will become.)
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To: Colofornian
"The LDS issued that manifesto for political purposes, then later claimed it was a revelation," says Willie Jessop, the FLDS spokesman.
 
Surely NOT!

 
Bring forth some EVIDENCE!!!

 



 
Exhibit #1:
 
The Mormon church Organization; based in Salt Lake City, does not practice Polygamy any more.
They decided to stop the practice for fear of losing all their worldly goods.
It was banned in 1890!.
  


 
 
 
 
OFFICIAL DECLARATION—1

To Whom It May Concern:

Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy

I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.

One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 




President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:

“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.

Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.







 

EXCERPTS FROM THREE ADDRESSES BY
PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF
REGARDING THE MANIFESTO

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty. (Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in Deseret Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2.)

It matters not who lives or who dies, or who is called to lead this Church, they have got to lead it by the inspiration of Almighty God. If they do not do it that way, they cannot do it at all. . . .

I have had some revelations of late, and very important ones to me, and I will tell you what the Lord has said to me. Let me bring your minds to what is termed the manifesto. . . .

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue—to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place
if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

I leave this with you, for you to contemplate and consider. The Lord is at work with us.
(Cache Stake Conference, Logan, Utah, Sunday, November 1, 1891. Reported in Deseret Weekly, November 14, 1891.)
 
 
 

Now I will tell you what was manifested to me and what the Son of God performed in this thing. . . . All these things would have come to pass, as God Almighty lives, had not that Manifesto been given. Therefore, the Son of God felt disposed to have that thing presented to the Church and to the world for purposes in his own mind. The Lord had decreed the establishment of Zion. He had decreed the finishing of this temple. He had decreed that the salvation of the living and the dead should be given in these valleys of the mountains. And Almighty God decreed that the Devil should not thwart it. If you can understand that, that is a key to it.
 
(From a discourse at the sixth session of the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple, April 1893. Typescript of Dedicatory Services, Archives, Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah.)
 

 
 
 
 
What kind of  'Leadership' is THIS???
 
compared to...
 
 
 
 
Hebrews 11:35-40
 35.  Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection.
 36.  Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison.
 37.  They were stoned ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated--
 38.  the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground. 
 
 
 
 
 

So much for an 'Everlasting Covenant' that thundered out of Heaven!!!
 
Well; it DID last about 47 years!
 
 




"Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President



11 posted on 02/03/2010 2:01:08 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
... Brigham Young led believers on an epic 1,300-mile journey west to the Salt Lake Basin of present-day Utah.

This so called 'prophet' killed more MORMONs on these trips that GENTILES ever did!

12 posted on 02/03/2010 2:02:45 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
Although Jacob 2 in the Book of Mormon is anti-polygamy...some Mormons have pulled out Jacob 2:30 -- the phrase "raise up seed" -- as justification for Smith's polygamy.
 
(These BIBLE verses must NOT be 'translated' correctly.)

 


 1 Timothy 3:2-3
 2.  Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,
 3.  not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
 
 
1 Timothy 3:12
   A deacon must be the husband of but one wife and must manage his children and his household well.
 
 
 Titus 1:6
   An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.




 
BEHOLD!!!!  The Restorative Power  of the Book of Mormon!!
 



 
THE BOOK OF JACOB
THE BROTHER OF NEPHI
CHAPTER 2
 
  24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
  25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
  26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
  27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
  28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
  29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.
  30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.
  31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.
  32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.
 

 TRUTH IGNORED

Smith, Young, Taylor, Pratt, Snow, Kimball, Woodruff ...

13 posted on 02/03/2010 2:05:42 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
From WIKI:
 
 
The Endowment House became a casualty of the anti-polygamy campaign of the U.S. Federal Government, especially the Edmunds-Tucker Act of 1887, which disincorporated the LDS Church and allowed the federal government to seize all of its assets. In response the Church leaders ceased performing new plural marriages. In October 1889 Wilford Woodruff, President of the Church, learned that a plural marriage had been performed the previous spring in the Endowment House without his permission. After discussing the matter with the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, he ordered the building razed without delay. The Salt Lake Tribune in its November 17, 1889, issue reported that the building was "being demolished." By the end of the month all trace of the Endowment House was gone. Some two years later Woodruff issued the 1890 Manifesto, officially ending the Mormon practice of polygamy, which had been so firmly associated in the mind of the public with the Endowment House.

14 posted on 02/03/2010 2:10:29 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Temple construction and dedication
 

Stone being quarried at

The location for the temple was first marked by Brigham Young, the prophet and second president of the church, on July 28, 1847, just four days after arriving in the Salt Lake Valley. The temple site was dedicated on February 14, 1853. Groundbreaking ceremonies were presided over by Brigham Young, who laid the cornerstone on April 6 of that year.

Sandstone was originally used for the foundation. During the Utah War the foundation was buried and the lot made to look like a plowed field to prevent unwanted attention from federal troops. After tensions had eased in 1858 and work on the temple resumed, it was discovered that many of the foundation stones had cracked, making them unsuitable for use. The inadequate sandstone was replaced by quartz monzonite (which has the appearance of granite) from Little Cottonwood Canyon, located twenty miles (32 km) southeast of the temple site. Oxen transported the granite initially, but as the Transcontinental Railroad neared completion in 1869 the remaining stones were carried by rail at a much faster rate.

The capstone was laid on April 6, 1892 by means of an electric motor and switch operated personally by Wilford Woodruff, the church's fourth President, thus completing work on the temple's exterior. The Angel Moroni is twelve and one half feet tall. At the capstone ceremony it was proposed by President Woodruff that the interior of the building be finished within one year, thus allowing the temple to be dedicated forty years to the day of its commencement. John R. Winder was instrumental in overseeing the completion of the interior on schedule; he would serve as a member of the temple presidency until his death in 1910. President Woodruff dedicated the temple on April 6, 1893, exactly forty years after the cornerstone was laid.

 
(From WIKI)

15 posted on 02/03/2010 2:22:30 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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