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To: vladimir998
U-2012>Would Rabbi Paul have taught the Babylonian Paganism of Nicea ?

There’s no such thing. Why do you make up things like that?

Easter is Babylonian paganism

Celibate priests is another Babylonian pagan concept

Pontifex Maximus is from Babylonian paganism.

Christmas is Babylonian Paganism

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
37 posted on 01/31/2010 4:42:01 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

You wrote:

“Easter is Babylonian paganism”

Nope. Easter is the Christian feast of Christ’s Resurrection. It was once a pagan Germanic holiday. The Germans were never Babylonians. Some poorly educated people confuse Ishtar with Easter because they’re too stupid to realize there is no connection between the medieval Germans and the ancient peoples of the Near East.

“Celibate priests is another Babylonian pagan concept”

No, actually the idea of celibate priests comes from Christ and St. Paul. Celibacy was also occasionally practiced by other ancient Jews when they were called to serve the Lord:

Elijah and Elisha were celibate al their lives (Zohar Hadash 2:1; Midrash Mishlei 30, 105, Pirke Rabbi Eliezer 33). When for the sake of the Torah (i.e., intense study in it), a rabbi would abstain from relations with his wife, it was deemed permissible, for he was then cohabiting with the Shekinah (the “Divine Presence”) in the Torah (Zohar re Gn 1:27; 13:3 and Psalm 85:14 in the Discourse of Rabbi Phineas to Rabbis Jose, Judah, and Hiya).

It is well known that the rabbis spoke concerning the obligation of all males to be married and procreated: “He who abstains from procreation is regarded as though he had shed blood” (Rabbi Eliezer in Yebamoth 63b, Babylonian Talmud; see also Shulkhan Aruch (Code of Jewish Law) section Evenhar-Ezer 1:1,3,4). According to Yebamoth 62b, B.T. a man is only half a man without a wife, citing Genesis 5:2 where it is said: “Male and female He (God) created them and blessed them, and called their name Adam (lit. “Man”).

Nevertheless, “if a person cleaves to the study of the Torah (i.e., dedicates all his time to it) like Simeon ben Azzai, his refusal to marry can be condoned” (Skulkhan Arukh EH 1:4). Rabbinic scholar Simeon ben Azzai (early second century A.D.) was extraordinary in his learning: “with the passing of Ben Azzai diligent scholars passed from the earth” (Sotah 9:15). He never married and was celibate all his life so as not to be distracted from his studies, and because he considered the Torah his wife, for who he always yearned with all his soul (Yebamoth 63b). He was an outstanding scholar (Kiddushin 20a, B.T.) and also renowned for his saintliness (Berakoth 57b, B.T.).

Other celibates

Jewish tradition also mentions the celibate Zenu’im (lit. “chaste ones”) to whom the secret of the Name of God was entrusted, for they were able to preserve the Holy Name in “perfect purity” (Kiddushin 71a; Midash Ecclesiastes Rabbah 3:11; Yer. yoma 39a, 40a).

Those in hope of a divine revelation consequently refrained from sexual intercourse and were strict in matters of purity (Enoch 83:2; Revelation 14:2-5).

Philo (Apol. pro Judaeis 1X, 14-17), Josephus, (Antiq. XVIII. 21) and Hipploytus (Philosophumena IX, IV, 28a) wrote on the celibacy of the Jewish Essenes hundreds of years before the discovery of their settlements in Qumran by the Dead Sea.

Philo Judaeus (c. 20 B.C.-50 A.D.), a Jewish philosopher, described Jewish women who were virgins who have kept their chastity not under compulsion, like some Greek priestesses, but of their own free will in their ardent yearning for Wisdom. “Eager to have Wisdom for their life-mate, they have spurned the pleasures of the body and desire no mortal offspring but those immortal children which only the soul that is dear to God can bring forth to birth” (Philo, Cont. 68; see also Philo, Abr. 100).

For “the chaste are rewarded by receiving illumination from the concealed heavenly light” (Zohar 11. 229b-230a). Because “if the understanding is safe and unimpaired, free from the oppression of the iniquities or passions... it will gaze clearly on all that is worthy of contemplation” (Philo, Sob. 1.5). Conversely, “the understanding of the pleasure-loving man is blind and unable to see those things that are worth seeing... the sight of which is wonderful to behold and desirable” (Philo, Q. Gen.IV.245). http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/talmud.htm

Apparently you were completely unaware of these basic facts.

“Pontifex Maximus is from Babylonian paganism.”

Nope. The title is from Roman paganism. The Romans were not Babylonian and never even conquered Babylonian territory. The Romans possessed the title and office long before they had left the confines of Central Italy. Hundreds of years into the Christian era the title was given to the pope.

“Christmas is Babylonian Paganism”

Nope. The name tells tou what it is = Christ’s Mass.

I think you should read real history rather than the slop from Hislop. A high school history teacher proved to an anti-Catholic like you that Hislop was completely wrong on this issue. A high school history teacher.


50 posted on 01/31/2010 5:49:00 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: UriÂ’el-2012
"Why do you make up things like that?"

I will ask again, why do yo make that stuff up? Each has been clearly refuted many times here on FR yet you continue to spew it like some kind of preprogrammed brainless reflex. FR Religion Forum decorum prohibits me from more accurately characterizing your statements.

Easter is not Paganism. It is the celebration of the Risen Lord. Your earlier falsehood about it never occurring in conjunction with the Passover was refuted when I pointed out to you that Holy Week and the Passover coincided in 2009.....get a calendar.

Celebate does not mean "chaste". It only means unmarried and has nothing to do with paganism....get a dictionary.

Pontif Maximus is a Roman, not a Persian office. Its use to describe the Bishop of Rome dates to the 3rd century....get a history book.

Christmas is not Pagan, it is the celebration of the birth of Christ.....get a clue.

52 posted on 01/31/2010 5:56:51 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Christmas marks the date of the conception of Christ, regardless of what the Babylonians practiced. I do agree that Easter became the compromise of attracting the numbers by putting the image of Christ over an eons old ‘quick like a bunny’ orgy.

Christ certainly and none of the predestined writers of the Holy Scripture ever gave a hint that Easter was to replace Passover. But oh well I surely do not think that practice will be straightened out until Christ returns with that double edged sword... the WORD of truth.


85 posted on 01/31/2010 7:26:24 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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