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To: UriÂ’el-2012

You wrote:

“Easter is Babylonian paganism”

Nope. Easter is the Christian feast of Christ’s Resurrection. It was once a pagan Germanic holiday. The Germans were never Babylonians. Some poorly educated people confuse Ishtar with Easter because they’re too stupid to realize there is no connection between the medieval Germans and the ancient peoples of the Near East.

“Celibate priests is another Babylonian pagan concept”

No, actually the idea of celibate priests comes from Christ and St. Paul. Celibacy was also occasionally practiced by other ancient Jews when they were called to serve the Lord:

Elijah and Elisha were celibate al their lives (Zohar Hadash 2:1; Midrash Mishlei 30, 105, Pirke Rabbi Eliezer 33). When for the sake of the Torah (i.e., intense study in it), a rabbi would abstain from relations with his wife, it was deemed permissible, for he was then cohabiting with the Shekinah (the “Divine Presence”) in the Torah (Zohar re Gn 1:27; 13:3 and Psalm 85:14 in the Discourse of Rabbi Phineas to Rabbis Jose, Judah, and Hiya).

It is well known that the rabbis spoke concerning the obligation of all males to be married and procreated: “He who abstains from procreation is regarded as though he had shed blood” (Rabbi Eliezer in Yebamoth 63b, Babylonian Talmud; see also Shulkhan Aruch (Code of Jewish Law) section Evenhar-Ezer 1:1,3,4). According to Yebamoth 62b, B.T. a man is only half a man without a wife, citing Genesis 5:2 where it is said: “Male and female He (God) created them and blessed them, and called their name Adam (lit. “Man”).

Nevertheless, “if a person cleaves to the study of the Torah (i.e., dedicates all his time to it) like Simeon ben Azzai, his refusal to marry can be condoned” (Skulkhan Arukh EH 1:4). Rabbinic scholar Simeon ben Azzai (early second century A.D.) was extraordinary in his learning: “with the passing of Ben Azzai diligent scholars passed from the earth” (Sotah 9:15). He never married and was celibate all his life so as not to be distracted from his studies, and because he considered the Torah his wife, for who he always yearned with all his soul (Yebamoth 63b). He was an outstanding scholar (Kiddushin 20a, B.T.) and also renowned for his saintliness (Berakoth 57b, B.T.).

Other celibates

Jewish tradition also mentions the celibate Zenu’im (lit. “chaste ones”) to whom the secret of the Name of God was entrusted, for they were able to preserve the Holy Name in “perfect purity” (Kiddushin 71a; Midash Ecclesiastes Rabbah 3:11; Yer. yoma 39a, 40a).

Those in hope of a divine revelation consequently refrained from sexual intercourse and were strict in matters of purity (Enoch 83:2; Revelation 14:2-5).

Philo (Apol. pro Judaeis 1X, 14-17), Josephus, (Antiq. XVIII. 21) and Hipploytus (Philosophumena IX, IV, 28a) wrote on the celibacy of the Jewish Essenes hundreds of years before the discovery of their settlements in Qumran by the Dead Sea.

Philo Judaeus (c. 20 B.C.-50 A.D.), a Jewish philosopher, described Jewish women who were virgins who have kept their chastity not under compulsion, like some Greek priestesses, but of their own free will in their ardent yearning for Wisdom. “Eager to have Wisdom for their life-mate, they have spurned the pleasures of the body and desire no mortal offspring but those immortal children which only the soul that is dear to God can bring forth to birth” (Philo, Cont. 68; see also Philo, Abr. 100).

For “the chaste are rewarded by receiving illumination from the concealed heavenly light” (Zohar 11. 229b-230a). Because “if the understanding is safe and unimpaired, free from the oppression of the iniquities or passions... it will gaze clearly on all that is worthy of contemplation” (Philo, Sob. 1.5). Conversely, “the understanding of the pleasure-loving man is blind and unable to see those things that are worth seeing... the sight of which is wonderful to behold and desirable” (Philo, Q. Gen.IV.245). http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/talmud.htm

Apparently you were completely unaware of these basic facts.

“Pontifex Maximus is from Babylonian paganism.”

Nope. The title is from Roman paganism. The Romans were not Babylonian and never even conquered Babylonian territory. The Romans possessed the title and office long before they had left the confines of Central Italy. Hundreds of years into the Christian era the title was given to the pope.

“Christmas is Babylonian Paganism”

Nope. The name tells tou what it is = Christ’s Mass.

I think you should read real history rather than the slop from Hislop. A high school history teacher proved to an anti-Catholic like you that Hislop was completely wrong on this issue. A high school history teacher.


50 posted on 01/31/2010 5:49:00 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998
Every thing you quote from is from a man made tradition.

You do not quote from The holy Word of G-d.

YHvH gave to all of His followers commanded Feasts (appointed times).

The pagan Roman "church" founded at Nicea by the Pontiff Constantine
rejected all of YHvH commanded Feasts and replaced them all with Paganism.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

53 posted on 01/31/2010 6:04:45 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: vladimir998
The Germans were never Babylonians. Some poorly educated people confuse Ishtar with Easter because they’re too stupid to realize there is no connection between the medieval Germans and the ancient peoples of the Near East.

Nicely done. But a wasted effort, I am sure.

95 posted on 01/31/2010 7:45:16 PM PST by Hacksaw (Trees aren't our "friends")
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To: vladimir998; UriÂ’el-2012
It was once a pagan Germanic holiday. The Germans were never Babylonians. Some poorly educated people confuse Ishtar with Easter because they’re too stupid to realize there is no connection between the medieval Germans and the ancient peoples of the Near East.

Not true. Read Jerome. Read Periplus (Sylax, c.500 BC)

Trier, Germany finds it's fabled founder in Trebeta, son of Ninus (Nimrod, king of Babylon). The Guti (Goths) were kin to the Assyrians, and the Indo-Germanic tongue finds it's roots among the Hatti (High caste of Assyria).

The OEstar (Ishtar, Semiramis (wife of Nimrod) celebration can easily be found to have traveled to Germany in the earliest of times, not to mention later...

No, actually the idea of celibate priests comes from Christ and St. Paul. Celibacy was also occasionally practiced by other ancient Jews when they were called to serve the Lord:

Whether your take on it is true or not, UriÂ’el-2012 is correct about celibate/eunuch priests being founded in the Babylon Mystery religion. The references you point to are of Hebrew traditions - the very same traditions that Christ abhorred - probably deriving from the Babylonian captivity, where Babylon's Mystery Religion infected the Hebrew truth. It is *not* Torah.

Nope. The title is from Roman paganism. The Romans were not Babylonian and never even conquered Babylonian territory. The Romans possessed the title and office long before they had left the confines of Central Italy. Hundreds of years into the Christian era the title was given to the pope.

Again, UriÂ’el-2012 is right in this (at least partly, as he stopped at Pergamum) - Both Pontifex Maximus and Pater Patrum come directly from Pergamum - Titles of Pergamum's priest-kings... princes and a priesthood that fled to Pergamum on the heels of Cyrus conquering Babylon. Attalus III, the last Babylonian king of Pergamum willed his kingdom to the Roman Caesar, and thus Nimrod's (and Satan's) throne moved from Babylon to Pergamum, and from there to Rome.

You are correct that there was a Pontifex Maximus in Rome too, though... It is the position of "Chief Pontiff (Bishop)" in the Mystery Religion, and no doubt Rome, as the chief city of Rome, would have had a Chief Pontiff over Rome (the country) going back into the ages.

But UriÂ’el-2012 is more correct, that the "High Chief Pontiff", the Pater Patrum, was in Pergamum, and before that in Babylon. It was Julius Caesar AFAIR, (elected first as Pontifex Maximus) who vested the priest-king titles in perpetuity upon the emperors of Rome, wherein it became an automatic title.

Hundreds of years into the Christian era the title was given to the pope.

Yes, that is true - But the Roman church was already sitting on Vatican Hill - Thus Satan's seat didn't need to move an inch. :D

Nope. The name tells tou what it is = Christ’s Mass.

Again, UriÂ’el-2012 is right. Christmas is a perfect re-enactment of the celebration of Tammuz, which fell on the eve of the 3rd day past the winter solstice. Look it up - the parallels are undeniable - Even as the pagan roots of Easter.

*none* of this was God ordained, and in a haste to make converts, power, and the blessings of the Emperor, The church of Rome has wholly neglected the Holy things of Jehovah - To include His Sabbath, founded upon the last day of Creation. *None* of the High Holy Days of Jehovah, *HIS appointed times*, are found in Rome (or in Protestantism, to be sure).

137 posted on 01/31/2010 10:38:35 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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