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From the article: ...so many of his scribes fell away or died. The list is saddening: Whitmer, Rigdon, Parrish and Robinson all left the church, never to return. Cowdery, Williams and Phelps were excommunicated, but came into full fellowship. Hyde was disfellowshipped for a time. Mulholland and Thompson died in Illinois. Whitmer even took some of the documents with him on the way out of the church. Only Richards, Bullock and Clayton stayed in the church the whole time.

Indeed. Over half of those who worked closest with Smith and got to know him best either apostatized, were ex-communicated or were disfellowshipped (8 of the above-mentioned 14). I think that says more about Smith than about his employees, doncha think?

From the article: So how could an uneducated New England farm boy bring to pass a work...a mere...2 percent -- are in the prophet's own handwriting.

Ah yes, the writer answers his own question. Smith brought it to pass 'cause so little of it was solely his own. Except for the tale-telling...even Joe's mom said he has a great knack for telling details of historic unknown cultures even at age 17. As many from previous centuries have proved, education has zilcho to do with yarn-tellin'.

(Besides, we know Muhammad was illiterate...yet look at the size of Koran/Quran...he had a lot of 'jinn' help)

1 posted on 01/26/2010 2:40:32 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Crooked? Yeah, I’d have to agree with that!


2 posted on 01/26/2010 2:59:12 PM PST by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: Colofornian

Don’t these constant attacks get boring ? Did some Mormon run over your cat or something ?


3 posted on 01/26/2010 3:01:08 PM PST by jimt
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To: Colofornian

Colofornian ...

...why are you so petty against a religion that includes 1.5% of the population of the USA?

...your postings are actually more revealing about yourself as a Religious Bigot, than damaging to the LDS church.

.... we get it allready, If modern sensitivities allowed you would be in the front ranks to murder Joseph Smith anew. OK your heart is filled with an unchristian hate ... is that going to get you into heaven? .... not by my understanding.


7 posted on 01/26/2010 4:01:21 PM PST by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country)
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To: Colofornian

LDS prophet = profit

from a humor blog: (THIS IS A JOKE)

At a meeting requested by Regional Representative Archibald K. Yost, the Church asked for sensitivity on the part of Postmormons when speaking of the President of the Church. Specifically, Yost stated that Mormons take umbrage to the frequent use of the pejorative, “the Profit” when speaking of the Church’s President.

Said Yost, “There is no ‘f’ in ‘Prophet’.”

http://www.postmormon.org/exp_e/index.php/peepstone/full_text/church_authorities_postmormons_find_common_ground/


18 posted on 01/26/2010 10:20:46 PM PST by reaganaut (It's futile to talk facts to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance)
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To: Colofornian; SZonian; Elsie; Godzilla; colorcountry; teppe; Alan2; Normandy; urroner; Logophile; ...
From the Mormon Times' article: Joseph Smith was a terrible writer.

Yes, indeed. To such an extent, Smith not only needed a lot of scribes, but a LOT of editors through the generations! (And in many ways, his scribes were the "pre-editors" who kept what he dictated from coming out even worse!)

The BIGGEST impact all of these edits have had is that they clearly help erase the obviousness of the original text that a portion of the Book of Mormon was written by an uneducated, grammar-challenged bumpkin -- in which suddenly phrases stolen word-for-word out of the King James Bible stand out in major contrast.

The obviousness of this contrast is greatly diluted by the perhaps hundreds of Book of Mormon editors of what Joseph Smith called "the most correct book on earth."

With the Bible, you have Hebrew & Greek and distinct interpretations of phrasing and even meaning on some things (though not major doctrinal issues)...with the Book of Mormon, they have no original gold-plated text -- therefore they've had no excuses for doing any editing -- especially any editing when you don't know who the editors are and why they've changed something.

So, here we have the pure majesty of the KJ Version of the prophet Isaiah's words all throughout a book in the Book of Mormon like 2 Nephi. (That's the "mountaintop" portion of 2 Nephi). The grammatical "gutter" portion of 2 Nephi is when Joseph Smith speaks forth out of supposed "poetic license":
2 Nephi 4:14: "for a more history part are written upon mine other plates" ["more history part"??]
2 Nephi 27:13: Colleen Ralson of Watchman Fellowship: First is says "none" and then it says "a few." A few is not none. Which does he mean? (Ralson, Color Me Confused, p. 20, 1988)
2 Nephi 30:18: Ralson: Here it states "no more, for a long time." This is a stupid statement. Is it no more or is it a long time?
2 Nephi 31:2: Ralson: The words "save it be a few words..." are really funny when you examine 4 Nephi 1:6, where it takes the author 57 words to say 59 years past.
2 Nephi 31:3: "he speaketh unto men according to their language." Ralson: Why then were they to write in reformed Egyptian? They probably did not understand it and surely the ones who would receive the plates would not understand it, either.

Now that you've viewed the grammatical "gutter" writing of Joseph Smith, all you have to do is stay in the same book -- 2 Nephi -- to see all the majestic writing!!! And how does that happen? Well, Smith plagiarizes 15 chapters, word-for-word, from the book of Isaiah in the Bible!!! (Chapters 1-->14 and 29). So, compare the above verses to Isaiah's KJ translation -- and you'll see that the Inspirer who inspired Isaiah is not the Inspirer who inspired the writer of 2 Nephi!!!

Smith's plagiarism:
2 Nephi 7 --> a copy of Isaiah 50
2 Nephi 8 --> a copy of Isaiah 51 [Ralson notes: "even italicized words that were added later to the King James Version for clarification, are found here"]
2 Nephi 12 --> a copy of Isaiah 2
2 Nephi 13 --> a copy of Isaiah 3
2 Nephi 14 --> a copy of Isaiah 4
2 Nephi 15 --> a copy of Isaiah 5
2 Nephi 16 --> a copy of Isaiah 6
2 Nephi 17 --> a copy of Isaiah 7
2 Nephi 18 --> a copy of Isaiah 8
2 Nephi 19 --> a copy of Isaiah 9
2 Nephi 20 --> a copy of Isaiah 10
2 Nephi 21 --> a copy of Isaiah 11
2 Nephi 22 --> a copy of Isaiah 12
2 Nephi 23 --> a copy of Isaiah 13 [and please note...that the italicized words of Isaiah 13, KJ Version during Joseph Smith's day, were not in the original Hebrew from which the KJV was translated...So if they weren't in the Hebrew, how did Nephi get them? Did he reach into the future of 1611 in the UK, and superimpose them into golden plates between 559 and 545 BC?]
2 Nephi 24 --> a copy of Isaiah 14
2 Nephi 27 --> a copy of Isaiah 29

21 posted on 01/27/2010 7:26:18 AM PST by Colofornian (We don't need Soilent Greeners in office!!!)
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To: Colofornian

Popcorn...Check


22 posted on 01/27/2010 7:38:27 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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