Posted on 01/03/2010 10:30:30 PM PST by Gamecock
THANKS.
This is POTENTIALLY a more fruitful topic.
However, I shall be shocked if any authentic fruitful dialogue ensues.
Thanks, Dr. E for your ping.
I think I’m more than a little burned out from the recent . . . exchanges . . . to put it charitably . . . with the Vatican Affiliates/ Papal Submissives.
I may get back to this thread after a rest and I may not.
If there is a particular post that any of you would truly like my comment on, please feel free to ping me and say so.
Blessings . . . and GOOD ON YA for yet again trying to state Biblical Truths clearly in the face of so much shredded history, shredded Scripture and shredded pseudo-logic.
Trust in the Lord.
History is great at showing that the Truth can't be kept in darkness. Throughout the Dark Ages there was a great attempt to eradicate any and all believers who refused to submit to Rome's control. No matter how hard they tried Christians still held to the Truth. Bibles were written in the vernacular and eventually they were printed. The Truth can't be suppressed.
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Christ promised that to us. It is why He founded the Catholic Church for us...to protect us from lies.
The Catholic Church is not a denomination.
Or is it not possible for you to simply extol the Lord?
Is it not possible for you to stop beating your wife?
NO! NO! NO!
I'm sure you have it all wrong.
It's more than a little confusing . . . given all the shredded history, shredded Scripture and shredded logic . . . and I could certainly be misperceiving things . . . HOWEVER, . . .
It appears to me that they don't think they control God. They prayerfully touch Mary's white hanky, or maybe a white hanky on a statue of Mary and SHE CONTROLS GOD. I mean, isn't part of their strategy that no son could refuse a MOTHER'S request? Soooooooooooooooo clever.
That kind of muddle headed thinking seems to make God out to be some kind of a dumb sap, seems to me.
God have mercy.
The Druids have the same type of set-up...
Let me come in and draw some fire.
Since it's already been decided that we're arrogant, I don't guess I need to be afraid to say that we don't consider the Catholic Church a "denomination." I'm not trying to be picky. But we, or most of us, really believe what we say. It's THE Church. It's not confined to those who are "in full communion with the See of Rome," but in our view it includes even those who hate it, certainly if they are Baptized.
Now, of course we esteem the husband before the bride, and the head before the body. But when husband and wife are one flesh, and head and body are one being, sometimes the distinctions nor only are difficult but seem unnecessary.
However, though often I think our aid would be rejected, if some one were to come into this thread to argue against our Lord and His saving work or against the very notion of God, we'd drop this discussion to go up against them.
And, I suppose, when they left, we'd be back to having you all tell us we put ourselves about God, when, really, truly seriously, what we see in the Bible is not "Magisterium" in so many words but is certainly a promise that the Spirit will lead us into all truth AND a very clear discourse in I COR 12 about diversities of gifts, in which teaching and prophesying are explicitly mentioned. Not all are teachers. Not all, therefore can claim the charism, the spiritual gift of teaching rightly. Not all are prophets, but when the council met in Jerusalem, their conciliar encyclical dared to say that their conclusion seemed good to the Holy Spirit.
I know our adversaries will scoff. And I suppose some will be influenced by that scoffing. But I read the Bible, have read the Bible, will read the Bible, and I do not see my teachers doing anything other than what the Bible said they would, could, and should do.
Here is what you are really saying:
Please spare me and others the diatribes of your Catholic Church of 2000 years, of consistently authoritatively interpreting scripture...I’m pinging a few Bible-believing Christians (who disagree with me on millions of points) to your outlandish, anti-Scriptural, God-denying comment above. I know more than the Early Church Fathers like St. Augustine, St. John Chrysostom, St. Vincent of Lerins and all the hundreds of other Early Church fathers, Popes and councils.
Sorry, I don’t speak Roman Catholic.
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That's good, I hadn't thought of that.
Thanks for your answer, though. I'm getting the flavor. Did you note the WCF called Baptism a "sacrament?" Wowsers!
Neither do I.
I’ve never been to Italy at all. Perhaps next year.
That's where you err...We are different denominations, under one Head, Jesus Christ...
Don't you ever get tired of being so ridiculously, embarrassingly wrong?
We?
Do you have a gerbil in your pocket?
And you only did half of the Mary thing. The other half is that she asked that the will of God be done in her. She won't ask anything that God does not will; she asks, as we do, that His will be done.
Which, IMHO is at once the scariest and the only thing a reasonable person can ask.
I can't conceive of a need for an emergency (water) baptism...What more needs to be said then?
SOUNDS good. I’m a bit skeptical that it’s thoroughly true for some folks.
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Oh, the white hankie thing is merely a short-hand, a symbol for a LOT of INSTITUTIONALIZED ritual and hoopla as well as a bit of fun tweaking at those overly obsessed with such rituals as seem to go with the personage of Mary and a lot of other personages in the INSTITUTION.
No. I think the message was:
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
If the doctrines, practices and history of a church is an unending attempt to control, destroy dissenters and empowerment of a religious caste I doubt the leaders of that church are guiding their flock correctly.
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