Posted on 01/01/2010 2:51:59 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
In June of 2009 an e-mail was sent to subscribers concerning a little known Rabbinic prophesy according to Israel Today. According to this article, Rabbi Judah Ben Samuel was a top Talmudic scholar in Germany. Just before he died in the year 1217 he prophesied that the Ottoman Turks would rule over the holy city of Jerusalem for eight jubilees. That is 400 years (8 x 50). The Ottoman Turks did take control of Jerusalem 300 years after the Rabbi’s death in 1517 and as according to the prophecy, the Ottoman Turks then lost Jerusalem 400 years later in 1917. It was during WWI that British General Edmund Allenby walked into Jerusalem on Hanukkah without firing a shot in 1917. The timing of this with the holiday and the ease at which it occurred indeed make this moment of history extremely significant.
In the book, Signs of the End, the significance of this date and its events helped launch the book. This was without even knowing of the Rabbi’s prophecy. They key was Allenby’s entrance into Jerusalem during Hanukkah. With the first world war underway with nation rising against nation and kingdom against kingdom there was added importance. In 1917 all nations that were involved in the war had become involved. But the kickoff day for WWI was the 9th of Av 2014, when Russia and Germany entered the war establishing the plurality of nations involved in the war. In doing a study on the day counts found in Daniel, these two days came up on the radar screen at the same spacing and these days were the second day of Hanukkah (Kislev 26) and the 9th of Av. With these days occurring in 1914 and 1917, it was found that 100 years later that the same day counts of Daniel occur. This with 100 years being the limit of a generation found in the Bible (as defined by Abraham’s 4 generations of a total of 400 years-–is it a coincidence that the Rabbi’s prophesy of 400 years also ends in 1917?).
The Rabbi then went on to say that after the eight jubilees, the ninth jubilee would have Jerusalem being a no-man’s-land, which it was from 1917 to 1967 until the Six-Day-War. The Rabbi’s prophecy then stated that in the tenth Jubilee that Jerusalem would be controlled by Israel and then the Messianic end times would begin. That would then bring the time to 2017.
The article concerning the Rabbi is linked below:
Right. Those were the wicked whom God intended to destroy.
Noah was not removed from the Earth. He never left the Earth. The flood waters were still a part of the Earth.
Noah didn't have to be removed from the earth. Noah was removed from the judgment through a mechanism, the ark, that God had chosen for that event.
Had Noah been taken through the judgment, he would have died along with the wicked. He was removed from the judgment, not taken through it.
... attempting to make a convincing argument that what you state as fact is, indeed, completely without error and absolutely perfect.
I think you got the wrong message... then... It's the Bible, the Word of God, those 66 books written from those 40 authors that God chose to put down His words -- that is inerrant and infallible...
It's what everyone else is saying, that is opinions and guesses... I'll stick to the inerrant word. But, you're free to choose the guesses and prognoticators for your "Word of God" if you want...
As for me, if anyone is going around saying that they are giving prophecy from God, I'll just recommend the demon be cast out, instead... LOL...
It can only be cast out if there is proof that it is there.
Laugh all you want. Satan himself is not clairvoyant. He cannot read the mind of God. He has heard what God says, but cannot “forth-tell” beyond that.
Just don't get that evil spirit of divination in you or someone might be calling for it to be cast out like Paul did with that woman... :-)
"Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree."-- Martin Luther
It can only be cast out if there is proof that it is there.
If you see anyone running around saying that they are giving Prophecies from God to the rest of us Christians to add to God's word (or saying that it's authoritative, in that same sense as in God's inerrant and infallible Word) -- they've got some kind of evil spirit in them...
On the other hand -- if they're just giving you their opinion and making wild guesses on their own -- well..., that's something else (that's what we all do, and especially so on Free Republic ... LOL...)
Which nobody involved in this has done.
So we only need the Old Testament writings - these were what Paul had when he wrote to Timothy. The writings of the New Testament were not yet in existance, other than perhaps letters that Paul himself wrote, and he did not consider them as “Scripture”.
Ya know..., it's just the darndest thing, but I can't get 66 books and 40 authors that God chose to write His Word -- out of only the Old Testament... my, my... :-) something must be terribly wrong here... LOL...
I’m very glad to have people recognize that this was no prophecy.... and that would be the point.
But, please, do continue giving other people’s opinions and even their “studied opinions” as I do love to hear about that. I just don’t take them as authoritative, as in “the Scriptures”. They are only guesses (maybe “educated” in some case, and maybe “studied” in other case — but guesses nonetheless).
And that’s fine by me to have guesses of a human nature.
Whenever I see some author of an article or poster of an article or the original individual, himself, (who may have said the original saying) — anyone of those — saying that it is a “prophecy” then that’s when it needs to be knocked down to the status of a pure guess of human origins — and no more valid “as a prophecy” than a Muslim or Buddhist or Mormon or Christian or Satanist can give any kind of prophecy.
[of course, for those others, who are “slow in mind,” I always have to put in the “qualifier” here that I’m not talking about those 66 books and 40 authors that God has chosen to write down His very words. Someone always misses that ... LOL...]
I needed that on this cold day. Thank you!
Noah didn't have to be removed from the earth. Noah was removed from the judgment through a mechanism, the ark, that God had chosen for that event.
I also might make note of the fact that Noah and his family couldn't be removed from the earth (as we will be when the time comes) because God had already ordained that the Messiah would come out of a line running from Adam forward.
If Noah and his family were totally removed from this earth, that would be the end of the line of humanity -- and thus, also, the end of the line through which the Messiah of Israel (yet future) was to come.
No, God would not do what would go against His own plans.
It was the corruption of the human race, in order to prevent the line of the Messiah coming about, so that He couldn't come -- that the evil angels wished to perpetrate upon humanity -- thus, that's why the angels were cohabiting with human females and corrupting mankind's genetic code, and trying to destroying mankind that God made in the Garden of Eden, through which this Messiah was to come.
God preserved the genetic code through the perfect generations of Noah and his family (as God said) and thus preserved the human race and also the line through which the Messiah of Israel was to come.
Noah could not have been removed from this earth, or else God would contradict Himself and be shown to be a liar in the coming promised Messiah.
I think this is the first time in my life that I have heard of someone making a guess and having it come true 400 years after they died!!
It's either that or the evil spirit of divination. But, it's also clear that the evil angels have more knowledge than human beings do and they use that against many foolish and unsuspecting people. The angels live in a dimension that we don't see and they see more of what is going on than we do. We only know from God's direct revelation what goes on "behind the scenes". The angels see what we only hear from God's word, and even more than we know about.
We see that miracles can come from the evil side (of the angels) and we saw demonstrated wtih Moses (in terms of whom he was against in Pharoah's court). And we are warned against even listening to an angel (if they saying something that Scripture does not) as even Satan (and his minions, too) disguise themselves as angels of light, when they are not.
And, as a familiar saying that comes up on Free Republic, even a broken clock is right two times a day... LOL...
We're not concerned with who may have lucky guesses one or two times -- or have an evil spirit of divination, but rather -- with God's inerrant and infallible Word, which is right not once, or twice or three times -- but at all times, in all places and with all things that are spoken about in that word.
LOL- as usual, we’ll have to agree to disagree.
We can call it a prophecy or a prediction or a suggestion or a guess or what have you ... but it is a startling coincidence of dates that cannot be dismissed out of hand, especially considering the fact that the statement was made long before the fulfillment. (God spoke to Balaam through an ass.)
We can call it a prophecy or a prediction or a suggestion or a guess or what have you ...
I don't have any problem with people making guesses, even educated ones (if they want to call it that). And I don't have any problems with people "getting lucky"... hey! people even win the lottery (with big odds against them) and I'm sure that wasn't "prophetically given"... LOL...
And people do have lucky guesses, it happens...
So, if someone wants to call it a prediction that they've made themselves, or call it a suggestion, or call it a guess -- there's no problem in my way of thinking (about this situation).
It's only when someone starts calling it a "prophecy" because I've read the definition in the dictionary of what a "prophecy" is, and also because of what things like that are called in the Bible (i.e., "prophecy"), when it comes from God (and all is spoken of from God and/or comes written from God in His Word is absolutely without error, and infallible, in all that He talks about or comments on or says...)
Hebrews Chapter 1 1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
And Jesus' words to us at the end of the Bible, the book or Revelation...
Revelation Chapter 22 16 "I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star." 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely. 18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He who testifies to these things says, "Surely I am coming quickly." Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus! 21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
Broadly speaking, the question appears to be whether the spirit of prophecy is limited to what is in the Bible or has still been operative since the canon was established. If the latter is allowed, then there’s another question, whether God has limited prophesying to Christian believers in good standing or might use someone else. I can’t be as sure as you are that the latter might not true in both cases.
Not when done as Jesus Christ commands.
Attempting to kill the creator of the universe daily is blasphemous.
Good thing the Catholic Church doesn't do that.
“Noah could not have been removed from this earth...”
As I said, Noah was taken through, not out. And you are right about the Sons of God (fallen angels) cohabitating with the daughters of men in an attempt to corrupt the seed of man. The nephilim were the off-spring of these unions. The flood wiped out that corrupt seed.
Gen 6:9 says, “These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.”
Noah’s lineage was not tarnished, a just man and perfect in his generation.
I think you meant this for blasater1960.
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