Posted on 01/01/2010 2:51:59 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
In June of 2009 an e-mail was sent to subscribers concerning a little known Rabbinic prophesy according to Israel Today. According to this article, Rabbi Judah Ben Samuel was a top Talmudic scholar in Germany. Just before he died in the year 1217 he prophesied that the Ottoman Turks would rule over the holy city of Jerusalem for eight jubilees. That is 400 years (8 x 50). The Ottoman Turks did take control of Jerusalem 300 years after the Rabbi’s death in 1517 and as according to the prophecy, the Ottoman Turks then lost Jerusalem 400 years later in 1917. It was during WWI that British General Edmund Allenby walked into Jerusalem on Hanukkah without firing a shot in 1917. The timing of this with the holiday and the ease at which it occurred indeed make this moment of history extremely significant.
In the book, Signs of the End, the significance of this date and its events helped launch the book. This was without even knowing of the Rabbi’s prophecy. They key was Allenby’s entrance into Jerusalem during Hanukkah. With the first world war underway with nation rising against nation and kingdom against kingdom there was added importance. In 1917 all nations that were involved in the war had become involved. But the kickoff day for WWI was the 9th of Av 2014, when Russia and Germany entered the war establishing the plurality of nations involved in the war. In doing a study on the day counts found in Daniel, these two days came up on the radar screen at the same spacing and these days were the second day of Hanukkah (Kislev 26) and the 9th of Av. With these days occurring in 1914 and 1917, it was found that 100 years later that the same day counts of Daniel occur. This with 100 years being the limit of a generation found in the Bible (as defined by Abraham’s 4 generations of a total of 400 years-–is it a coincidence that the Rabbi’s prophesy of 400 years also ends in 1917?).
The Rabbi then went on to say that after the eight jubilees, the ninth jubilee would have Jerusalem being a no-man’s-land, which it was from 1917 to 1967 until the Six-Day-War. The Rabbi’s prophecy then stated that in the tenth Jubilee that Jerusalem would be controlled by Israel and then the Messianic end times would begin. That would then bring the time to 2017.
The article concerning the Rabbi is linked below:
What about the Jewish Rabbis known in their day as Yeshua Ben Yosef, or Sha'ul L' Benyamini?
Just keep reading on down that paragraph... I've got it covered... :-)
I believe that all prophecy concerning the return of Christ, the seven year Tribulation, and His millennial kingdom are all complete in the Scriptures, with nothing to be added to those prophecies, but I'm not going to be the one who makes any emphatic statement that God has never, ever used anyone else, especially a Rabbi, to prophecy something like this that latter day Christians could then use as confirmation that Christ's return is near and see fulfilled Christ's promise that we would know when His return is "at the door".
It's fine to use other sources for "information" to give us understanding -- some better than others. And, of course some "information" is plain misleading and will get people totally off track (which would be Satan's plan, of course...).
But..., that's just regarding information or explanation or commentary. You can take it or leave it and it's not authoritative.
However, when someone says "this is a prophecy from God" (or a follower says of this -- "this is a prophecy from God"0 then it's being elevated to Scripture status and in that case, for anything that someone who says like that -- it's basically as valid as listening to a Buddhits or a Muslim cleric or a Satanist (even) -- because all of their "prophecies from God" are as much garbage as the next person in this world.
Scripture is where a prophecy from God is to be found...
But, again, I'm not talking about commentaries or someone "giving an understanding" about culture or words or some obscure meaning in Scripture -- I'm talking about someone who is going around and giving out "prophecies from God" out of his own mouth and his own writings.
There is obviously a huge difference between Jewish interpretation of the Bible and that of the other religions you mention. To lump the Jews in with Hindus, Moslems, and Buddhists is absurd and stupid.
Yeah, if we're talking about "interpretation" of our existing Scriptures, then you're right -- along with some other things, like understanding the culture, maybe getting a clearer understanding of a word in usage back then and/or regarding some obscure meaning of Scripture or perhaps an idiom.
But, you'll notice that comment of mine wasn't about understanding background information or about word studies or language skills and/or about the culture or history of the item in question -- it was about someone saying that "I have a prophecy from God"...
If someone is saying that, then they are just as valide as a Muslim or a Buddhist or a Satanist -- in doing that... in other words, worth absolutely nothing...
Believe it or not, The New Testament is Jewish as well.
Yes indeed it is... :-)
Now, nobody who is alive today was around when the Rabbi made the prophecy so no one can say with any authority if God inspired him with this prophecy, which actually happened, or not.
I guess at this point we will all have to believe what we want. Like I said before, I will not take it upon myself to state that God had nothing to do with this prophecy, which actually happened, because I wasn't around.
And neither were you.
"If you're planting a tree and hear the moshiach has come, first finish the planting, then go to greet him." --Talmud
Well, I think, also, of what the Messiah Himself said about that... LOL...
Matthew Chapter 24 23 Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.
I'm thinking ya might as well finish the day's work, not just that tree, because it's most likely a false messiah that someone is hollering about ... LOL...
The real one won't be giving you any time to finish the planting... :-)
I never said the prophecy was from God.
I noted that either a follower says it or the guy giving it says it... and obviously from the following that fits... (because someone is saying it's a prophecy).
Just before he died in the year 1217 he prophesied that the Ottoman Turks would rule over the holy city of Jerusalem for eight jubilees. That is 400 years (8 x 50). The Ottoman Turks did take control of Jerusalem 300 years after the Rabbi’s death in 1517 and as according to the prophecy, the Ottoman Turks then lost Jerusalem 400 years later in 1917.
And I also recall that an evil spirit was cast out of some other woman (in Scripture) even when she was saying true things about the Apostles...
Evil spirits are never to be listened to, no matter whether they tell you one or two things that are true. And anyone who says that they are "prophesying from God" and giving God's Word to you right now (outside of God's own prophetic Word, itself and the ones that God specifically chose to do so for His Scripture) -- has some kind of evil spirit in them, to be sure...
Acts Chapter 16 16 Now it happened, as we went to prayer, that a certain slave girl possessed with a spirit of divination met us, who brought her masters much profit by fortune-telling. 17 This girl followed Paul and us, and cried out, saying, "These men are the servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to us the way of salvation." 18 And this she did for many days. But Paul, greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, "I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her." And he came out that very hour.
There happens to be a lot of "annoying divinators" running around these days, and in the days of old, too... :-)
“...the Rapture takes place...”
What rapture? “As in the days of Noah...” - Noah was not taken out, Noah was taken through...and under God’s protection.
http://www.messiahtruth.com/response.html
LOL..., I do like to read some of these websites for the humor involved... :-) Some of what it said, below...
Paul and the writers of all four canonical Gospels described the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, as they understood it had happened. There is a acknowledged consensus among academic Christian theologians that:
They are entertaining...
Here's another one that is just as entertaining, too. :-)
Jesus Christ is a False Messiah from "Evil Bible.com".... LOL...
You seem to be the type of person who would enjoy these ridiculous websites... :-)
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“Sorry..., but no Christian should take any word from a Muslim cleric or Jewish Rabbi or Buddhist monk or Gentile clairvoyant or Mormon prophet or any ole whacko as significant “prophecy” — other than the 66 books of the Bible from those 40 authors that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob chose to write down His inerrant and infallible words which we refer to as the Bible.”
So God does not now have a voice? The Holy Spirit within us is silent? God speaks to us only in the 66 books of the Protestant versions of the Bible? Which translation to use? Not all agree. Prophetic word from God through His people are not from God? You would limit God?
Beware - the words spoken by Jesus in Matthew 12 when he was accused by the Pharasees of casting out demons by Beelzebub, he said to them, in v.32 “And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him neither in this world, nor in the world to come.”
The “unforgivable” sin - attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to Satan.
Thanks.
If God had left Noah to go through the judgment, He would have left him on the earth, not floating above it, safe and sound, in the ark.
Can you post the part from the article where it says that the Rabbi's prophecy was from God? Or post anything that I've written where I said the Rabbi's prophecy was from God?
Well, okay..., if it's not a prophecy -- and I'm glad we've got that cleared up that it's not a prophecy -- then the person who wrote the article should not have said "prophecy"....
I mean, we all get our own opinions and guesses... and that's fine. As long as we distinguish a "guess" and an "opinion" from God's Word, the inspired and inerrant and infallible Word of God in all that it says and speaks on -- I'm fine with that.
And talking about "guesses"... I will say that anyone who goes around "guessing" the date for the start of the Tribulation is simply blowing smoke... LOL...
AND..., I would advise people to avoid using the word "prophecy" as a substitute for "my own wild guess as to what is going to happen"... :-)
See the definition of the word "prophecy" ...
1. (a) An inspired utterance of a prophet, viewed as a revelation
of divine will.
(b) A prediction of the future, made under divine inspiration.
(c) Such an inspired message or prediction transmitted orally
or in writing.
2. The vocation or condition of a prophet.
3. A prediction.
Whomever wrote this (and also if it came from the followers of this person, too, along with that person himself saying it, if that pertains) -- they chose a very bad word to use -- for Christians... as we know what "prophecy" is... and what it is not.
Prophecy is not the wild-eyed guesses of prognosticators regarding when the end times is going to start... LOL...
And we also don't need any more wild-eyed divinators running around either, or else, someone will probably cast the demon out of them... LOL...
Those not in the ark were taken out - to judgement. Noah was not removed from the Earth. He never left the Earth. The flood waters were still a part of the Earth.
So God does not now have a voice?
God has the voice that He chose to use, by His own will... and He's used it. We call it the Bible and it's the inerrant, infallible and perfect Word of God in His 66 books (familair to everyone, I'm sure), along with those 40 authors that He chose to put down His own words in that Scripture.
We have Scripture, as we are told (2 Timothy 3:16-17) --
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
When you have something like the Word of God, i.e., the Scriptures, so that one may be complete and thoroughly equipped for every good work -- you don't need divination from evil spirits to assist you... LOL...
“We have Scripture, as we are told (2 Timothy 3:16-17) —
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.”
So we only need the Old Testament writings - these were what Paul had when he wrote to Timothy. The writings of the New Testament were not yet in existance, other than perhaps letters that Paul himself wrote, and he did not consider them as “Scripture”.
“... you don’t need divination from evil spirits to assist you... LOL...”
Laugh all you want. Satan himself is not clairvoyant. He cannot read the mind of God. He has heard what God says, but cannot “forth-tell” beyond that.
So far you're batting 0 for heaven knows how many tries in attempting to make a convincing argument that what you state as fact is, indeed, completely without error and absolutely perfect.
You can make no case whatsoever that you have studied the person and life of this Rabbi to the point that you know absolutely and with no doubt whatsoever that he had no inspiration from God and that God had nothing to do with this prophecy.
You take a prophecy made by a Rabbi, who may or may not have been led by God, in the 13th century which came to pass, and try to cast dispersions on the man based on no real information about him. Here is what God said about the issue in Deuteronomy 18:22:
When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.
Now the Rabbi made a prophecy which did happen. Does that mean he was inspired by God to make this prophecy? Based on the Bible verse above someone could be forgiven for thinking God just might have been involved. Yet nobody knows for sure, one way or the other. And, I might add, the prophecy made by the Rabbi strangely ends in the year 2017, which has been popping up alot lately in alot of prophecy studies done by alot of people.
I personally am not prepared to consider myself so omnipresent that I can say with any certainty whatsoever that a prophecy made by a Rabbi, not an Imam, not a Shaman, not a physic, but a Rabbi, did not involve God in any way, shape, or form.
My advice to you is to realize your limitations as a physical human being, who exists in a particular time, who can only know anything based on the limited information you have available.
That's all any of us know. And by the way, nobody has set a date for the Rapture- not the person who wrote the article, not the Rabbi who made the prophecy, and not anyone who has responded to the thread.
Fine rabbi.
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