[aruanan]

So, he set his own criteria and then fulfilled it. Uh-huh.

In a little while I will go to the mailbox. This will prove I am the messiah.

So, does this mean when I go to the mailbox I will be the messiah?

Has it ever occurred to you that the messiah must fulfill the criteria set forth by G-d in previous revelation (the Hebrew Bible) rather than setting his own criteria?

Let someone put you to death and then raise yourself from the dead. I seem to recall several of your philosophical brethren getting pissed off at Jesus for healing a man on the Sabbath. He replied that because of the patriarchs they circumcise a boy on the Sabbath so as not the break the law of Moses and demanded why they should be angry with him because he healed the whole man on the Sabbath. They also became angry when he said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven" and grumbled that only God could forgive sins. He said to them, "Which is easier, to say "Your sins are forgiven" or "Get up. Take your mat and walk"?" And then told them that to show them that he had authority to forgive sins he commanded the paralytic to get up, take his mat, and go home. Another time your philosophical compatriots got mad at Jesus when his disciples were picking handfuls of grain on the Sabbath and eating it without washing their hands. He asked them if they didn't know that even David ate the showbread in the temple that wasn't lawful for any but the priests to eat and then declared that he was Lord of the Sabbath. All these things, well, except for the healings, could have just been someone talking out of his ass, but to declare that he would be put to death and then raise himself from the dead and actually do it makes his previous statements about himself more likely true than not.

Of course, you could just choose not to accept his testimony or the testimony of those who witnessed these things and hide behind your own understanding (or lack of it) of Jewish law and prophecy as some of his compatriots did, but it'll have the same result for you that it did for them.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Let someone put you to death and then raise yourself from the dead. I seem to recall several of your philosophical brethren getting pissed off at Jesus for healing a man on the Sabbath. He replied that because of the patriarchs they circumcise a boy on the Sabbath so as not the break the law of Moses and demanded why they should be angry with him because he healed the whole man on the Sabbath. They also became angry when he said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven" and grumbled that only God could forgive sins. He said to them, "Which is easier, to say "Your sins are forgiven" or "Get up. Take your mat and walk"?" And then told them that to show them that he had authority to forgive sins he commanded the paralytic to get up, take his mat, and go home. Another time your philosophical compatriots got mad at Jesus when his disciples were picking handfuls of grain on the Sabbath and eating it without washing their hands. He asked them if they didn't know that even David ate the showbread in the temple that wasn't lawful for any but the priests to eat and then declared that he was Lord of the Sabbath. All these things, well, except for the healings, could have just been someone talking out of his ass, but to declare that he would be put to death and then raise himself from the dead and actually do it makes his previous statements about himself more likely true than not.

Being raised from the dead does not make one the messiah. Working miracles does not make one the messiah. Only meeting the exact criteria of the Torah and Prophets as they themselves describe them makes one the messiah. Similarly, claiming to be "lord of the Sabbath" does not make one is "lord of the Sabbath." I am the King of Razzbo Jazzbo. See? I just claimed to be the King of Razzbo Jazzbo. That doesn't make me the King of Razzbo Jazzbo.

Of course, you could just choose not to accept his testimony or the testimony of those who witnessed these things and hide behind your own understanding (or lack of it) of Jewish law and prophecy as some of his compatriots did, but it'll have the same result for you that it did for them.

For all I know, J*sus did rise from the dead. But if I accept the testimony of his disciples that still doesn't make him the messiah. G-d had already warned Israel in Deuteronomy 13 that if anyone worked miracles as "proof" that Israel should stop observing the Torah they were to pay it no attention whatsoever, because G-d was merely testing them. The miracle can be real, but it's only a test. The Torah does not allow for chr*stianity.

If you cannot agree with me very well. You think you're right and I think I'm right.

Be well.