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To: aruanan
He said his raising himself from the dead would constitute proof of everything he had said in that matter and he rose from the dead. It's the best documented event in all of ancient history.

So, he set his own criteria and then fulfilled it. Uh-huh.

In a little while I will go to the mailbox. This will prove I am the messiah.

So, does this mean when I go to the mailbox I will be the messiah?

Has it ever occurred to you that the messiah must fulfill the criteria set forth by G-d in previous revelation (the Hebrew Bible) rather than setting his own criteria?

199 posted on 12/17/2009 8:37:24 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vaya`an Yosef 'et-Par`oh le'mor bil`aday; 'Eloqim ya`aneh 'et-shelom Par`oh.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; aruanan

So, he set his own criteria and then fulfilled it. Uh-huh.

In a little while I will go to the mailbox. This will prove I am the messiah.

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Let’s see you raise yourself up from the dead.

Is going to the mailbox physically impossible?


271 posted on 12/17/2009 2:01:50 PM PST by reaganaut (When we FACE UP to the Majesty of God, we will find ourselves FACE DOWN in Worship" - Matt Redman)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
So, he set his own criteria and then fulfilled it. Uh-huh.

In a little while I will go to the mailbox. This will prove I am the messiah.

So, does this mean when I go to the mailbox I will be the messiah?

Has it ever occurred to you that the messiah must fulfill the criteria set forth by G-d in previous revelation (the Hebrew Bible) rather than setting his own criteria?


Let someone put you to death and then raise yourself from the dead. I seem to recall several of your philosophical brethren getting pissed off at Jesus for healing a man on the Sabbath. He replied that because of the patriarchs they circumcise a boy on the Sabbath so as not the break the law of Moses and demanded why they should be angry with him because he healed the whole man on the Sabbath. They also became angry when he said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven" and grumbled that only God could forgive sins. He said to them, "Which is easier, to say "Your sins are forgiven" or "Get up. Take your mat and walk"?" And then told them that to show them that he had authority to forgive sins he commanded the paralytic to get up, take his mat, and go home. Another time your philosophical compatriots got mad at Jesus when his disciples were picking handfuls of grain on the Sabbath and eating it without washing their hands. He asked them if they didn't know that even David ate the showbread in the temple that wasn't lawful for any but the priests to eat and then declared that he was Lord of the Sabbath. All these things, well, except for the healings, could have just been someone talking out of his ass, but to declare that he would be put to death and then raise himself from the dead and actually do it makes his previous statements about himself more likely true than not.

Of course, you could just choose not to accept his testimony or the testimony of those who witnessed these things and hide behind your own understanding (or lack of it) of Jewish law and prophecy as some of his compatriots did, but it'll have the same result for you that it did for them.
326 posted on 12/17/2009 6:18:25 PM PST by aruanan
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