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Can Catholics Be Christians?
The Orthodox Presbyterian Church ^

Posted on 12/08/2009 11:41:52 AM PST by Gamecock

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To: Gamecock

Anyone who so much as gives a cup of water in My name will have his reward.

The Boss.


101 posted on 12/08/2009 12:39:18 PM PST by Jim Noble (Hu's the communist?)
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To: Petronski
Now you switch to the abuse, knowing you let a hint of your respect for me slip.

“Dear” is a fairly common salutation used in correspondence. I know of someone who recently wrote both their US Senators and their US Representative. All three are liberals. Nonetheless, each was addressed as “dear.”

Thus, it’s hardly a term of abuse, error, fraud or lie, but merely a matter of preferred etiquette. Another valuable effect of this minor social grace is that it should serve as a reminder to try to write charitably to each other.

102 posted on 12/08/2009 12:41:02 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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To: Petronski

Thanks for putting my quote back up. I suppose it makes sense that the religion mod is more touchy about coarse language.


103 posted on 12/08/2009 12:41:12 PM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Theo

What part of “Eternal Life” don’t you get?


104 posted on 12/08/2009 12:42:42 PM PST by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: Gamecock

It’s kinda funny, in a sad sort of way, to watch the Romanist as they defend there Church as the supreme good fail to realize that it is a rejection of the Gospel.


105 posted on 12/08/2009 12:43:12 PM PST by the_conscience (I'm a bigot: Against Jihadists and those who support despotism of any kind.)
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To: Alex Murphy
“Dear” is a fairly common salutation used in correspondence.

Stop hitting on me. It's unwelcome and really rather creepy.

106 posted on 12/08/2009 12:43:25 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Gamecock

Anyone can be a Christian by believing and accepting Christ as their savior. Religion is religion, but a personal relationship with Christ is all it takes to be a Christian.


107 posted on 12/08/2009 12:44:13 PM PST by Halls (Jesus is my Lord and Savior)
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To: Petronski

>>The tea kettle in that picture is brown.<<

*snicker*


108 posted on 12/08/2009 12:44:18 PM PST by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: the_conscience

Did you post to the wrong thread?

LOL


109 posted on 12/08/2009 12:44:26 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: netmilsmom

Sometimes, it’s the little things.


110 posted on 12/08/2009 12:45:11 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Petronski

“Didn’t you know? Christians are judged by God, but Catholics are judged by Calvin.”

ROTFL!


111 posted on 12/08/2009 12:45:54 PM PST by OpusatFR (Tagline not State Approved. Thoughts not State Approved. Actions not State Approved)
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To: Halls

>>Religion is religion, but a personal relationship with Christ is all it takes to be a Christian.<<

Merry Christmas Halls!!!!
You’re a wonderful FReeper and a great Christian.


112 posted on 12/08/2009 12:46:37 PM PST by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: Petronski

Absolutely!


113 posted on 12/08/2009 12:47:21 PM PST by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: Gamecock

A better question is can you be a Christian outside the Catholic Church.


114 posted on 12/08/2009 12:49:45 PM PST by Reaganez
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
But she’s dead, unable to hear all the prayers sent her way.

So what radio stations do they they get in heaven?

Do you actually seek to limit God, or suppose that He can be limited? Do you not suppose that it is within His power to allow those in Heaven the ability to hear when people still on this mortal coil address them? You might not agree that He does, but your statement appears to indicate that you do not think that He can.

You might want to read Revelation 5 from the POV that those in Heaven not only know what is going on on the earth, but receive prayers coming from us and present them to God. I won't tell you which verses support that; I'm sure you can be open-minded enough to figure them out for yourself.

115 posted on 12/08/2009 12:50:46 PM PST by magisterium
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To: mnehring

Actually, us Catholics have much respect and admiration for the Anglicans. What we hate are the fundamentalists that either interpret the bible literally or think they can interpret the bible their own way with no historical or theological basis. There is not much difference between the Anglicans, the Catholics, the Lutherens and the Greeks other than the structure of the respective churches. I have always said if I wasn’t Catholic, I’d be Episcopal. A lot of respect and cohesion between the two, at least in my community.


116 posted on 12/08/2009 12:51:25 PM PST by wolfman23601
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To: Petronski

117 posted on 12/08/2009 12:53:52 PM PST by the_conscience (I'm a bigot: Against Jihadists and those who support despotism of any kind.)
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To: magisterium

Hey, no - not me. I was commenting on the absurdity of another post that seemed to presume that heavenly souls can’t hear prayers, that’s all.


118 posted on 12/08/2009 12:55:12 PM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Petronski
Did you skip the part about greater hope for salvation for ignorant Catholics who just follow orders than those who actually understand the faith and remain in it?

With all due respect, I think that the author was referring to individuals who are aware of the differences between Catholics and Protestants and still insist upon being Catholic contrary to their conscience. (I am not saying here that someone would NECESSARILY have a conscientious objection, but merely that it is what the author seems to believe)

As a Catholic you most certainly believe this about Protestants. The Catechism of the Catholic Church allows for "Invincible Ignorance":

1793 If - on the contrary - the ignorance is invincible, or the moral subject is not responsible for his erroneous judgment, the evil committed by the person cannot be imputed to him. It remains no less an evil, a privation, a disorder. One must therefore work to correct the errors of moral conscience.

This reflects what the author was saying in regards to faithful Catholics who do not question their beliefs. It's the same statement but flipped as it is coming from a Protestant applying it to Catholics instead of the other way around.

The Catechism also states:

1790 A human being must always obey the certain judgment of his conscience. If he were deliberately to act against it, he would condemn himself. Yet it can happen that moral conscience remains in ignorance and makes erroneous judgments about acts to be performed or already committed.

1791 This ignorance can often be imputed to personal responsibility. This is the case when a man "takes little trouble to find out what is true and good, or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin." In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits.

1792 Ignorance of Christ and his Gospel, bad example given by others, enslavement to one's passions, assertion of a mistaken notion of autonomy of conscience, rejection of the Church's authority and her teaching, lack of conversion and of charity: these can be at the source of errors of judgment in moral conduct.

It stands to reason that, from a Catholic point of view, a Protestant who has taken the time to examine what the Catholic Church teaches, understands the reasons it teaches such, and refuses to be a part of her is culpable of mortal sin and places his or her salvation at risk. That education has dispelled all appeals for claims for ignorance. This is exactly what the author was stating, albeit from a Protestant point of view.

Respectfully, it does little good to be indignant about a Protestant teaching the same thing regarding Catholics that the Catholic Church teaches regarding Protestants. The author left the door open for individual Catholics to be saved in exactly the same manner that the Catholic Church leaves it open for Protestants to be saved. It's the same reasoning albeit applied from a different point of view.

119 posted on 12/08/2009 12:55:19 PM PST by MWS
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To: the_conscience

Still out of ideas?

I understand.


120 posted on 12/08/2009 12:55:22 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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