And the Spirit Houses.
Posted on 11/02/2009 3:53:32 PM PST by NYer
Discussion ping!
There’s a “Protestants vs Catholics” caucus now? :)
Let’s get ready to rumble!
Did Jesus ease the minds of the brothers of the rich man across the great gulf?
Does the Bible not say that whoever adds anything to the Bible will have the curses of the Bible added unto him?
Dangerous ground to be treading.
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I think catholics are fairly clear why evangelicals do not believe in purgatory. More likely non-catholics are unclear why catholics "do" believe in it.
For the sake of evangelicals a bit more explanation about the origin of the doctrine of purgatory might be interesting.
No one is going to change anyone's mind, probably, but it helps to know where your brother is coming from on a given issue.
Ratzinger is first rate, by the way.
Interesting. All of Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy pray for the dead and none of us believe in purgatory. Several hundred million Christians praying for the dead and yet not believing in purgatory would seem to put the lie to any notion that a belief in purgatory is the sine qua non of a belief in the efficacy of prayers for the dead.
Well, there are the aerial toll booths.
No.
And the Spirit Houses.
“Well, there are the aerial toll booths.”
Yes, an odd and not at all universally taught, much less accepted, Russian notion. In fact, far from being any kind of dogma, it has been locally condemned as heretical.
Protestants believe either that the soul is in heaven or hell immediately after death, or that it waits "sleeping" until the final judgement.
Are either of those compatible with what you believe? I am not familiar with very much about the Orthodox Church, so excuse my rather convoluted question.
I was about to give you a long answer to your question and then remembered a good exposition of Orthodox theology and praxis on this matter from a Russian Orthodox source and another from my own Archdiocese:
http://www.orthodox.net/articles/about-prayer-for-the-dead.html
Here’s the longer and much more detailed discussion from the Greek Orthodox Archdiocesan website called “Death, The Threshold to Eternal Life”:
http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/ourfaith7076
Revelation 22:18
This verse doesn't support your claim. "This book" refers to the book of Revelation, not the book known as the Bible.
I pray for the dead, and for my son’s descendants yet unborn (he is 9), and ask for them to be blessed, and lead into Christ’s perfect will.
My theological understanding is basically Protestant, but a part of that is that it is my responsibility to seek understanding.
God so profoundly transcends linear time that our notions of proper sequence and limitations probably fail. God is in the miracle business, and he directs me to be at the tasks of faith, trust, prayer and study.
I will pray for others - the quick, the dead and those to come. Whether God answers is within His will and within His character and power, which I know only dimly and in part. I will not however limit His grace to the boundaries of my ignorance or despair.
The opinions of others in this is of no matter to me.
Are you aware that Luther is the person who added things to the KJV and too the REAL books of the Bible out because they had certain veerses that disproved his statements?
Actually the Protestants are partially right. Anyone who finds themselves in Purgatory knows that they are going to heaven and just need to be further purified.
So — they are in the pain of separation from Christ, even though they may be so near. That’s why it is so important to pray for the Poor Souls in Purgatory. They know when we are praying for them and some seers not approved by the church have actually been told that those for whom we pray will come to greet us at the moment of our death.
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