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Posted on 10/28/2009 8:31:09 PM PDT by Jedediah
Orders are coming now for my chosen ones that have been waiting for the timing of my will . The sweeping of the penduluum's timing is poised before my throne as a gravitational pull holds you to earth , so the hearts of my children are laid before me and as no other time before my humble servants are about to enter into an opened door revealed only to the few( obedient) , the Chosen(overcomers) and this door is an entryway into not only the all of me but the paradise of my love abiding ,eternal , flowing yet existing in a dimension of reality of my kingdom to the obedient alone .
For truly this is the greatness opened to who I am in a manifold manner and mannah(word) of true revelatory power and kingdom of overcomers "free" to those deserving through the sacrifice of my ways " Obedience !"
Now IS the time "watch" as the penduluum cavitates before you and climb aboard for it is my chariot of fire I have brought down to you from heaven as Elijah .
Receive and believe for truly all you are about to see and experience is of me and me alone ! \o/
***I’m dropping discussion of my personal beliefs on this thread. I consider myself a Christian and care little or nothing what you consider me. This thread is about something else.***
You made this personal in post http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2373410/posts?page=400#400 when you posted (among others):
I have found this week to be a huge shift in all things about and around me in all relationships. Evil ones no longer have the will to go on. I have a renewal of energy and influx of spirit.
I have made great insights at a class in Divinity School where how I would solve problems by internalizing them and making them my own is an amazing way to heal the mind body and spirit. I used this in cmy career in computers but in retirement have found that the same can be applied but DO NOT TRY TO INTERNALIZE EVIL TO UNDERSTAND IT!
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I take this forum seriously and consider it part of my teaching ministry. Mocking behavior will be rebuked with a crack over the knuckles, if that’s what you are used to. The Lord has shown me that I can make mincemeat out of a fool and his words. And here, I get to ponder where and when to strike. Shoot your mouth off, expect a nuke.
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Believe me, if you are acting the fool, best be prepared for humiliation. ***
You made a personal challenge to everyone on this board with these and other words. I suppose that you might consider your last sentence rather prophetic.
This was my morning meditation: Job 31:7 if my steps have turned from the path, if my heart has been led by my eyes, or if my hands have been defiled, 8 then may others eat what I have sown, and may my crops be uprooted.
THANK YOU Dawg, for an attempt at understanding.
Is it fair to say that in your, what, vision of the ecclesial community the Holy Spirit often gives rich and wonderful and obvious manifestations of his work and presence?
YES. Emphatically so.
If that's right, then "prophecy" is one of those gifts.
Without a doubt.
[...] would describe this prophetic activity as a kind of ecstatic utterance (maybe?) but "in a language understanded of the people", and, in a way, "oracular" in the sense of being FIRST, not really chosen by the speaker and THEN vague or, treading carefully here, lacking in concreteness at least to those who are not members of the particular ecclesial community?
Not necessarily on any of these points, IMHO, but generally, considering the nature of prophecy, a reasonable assertion.
This utterance would however present itself as an accurate presentation of God's word, both with respect to future events and with respect to personal spiritual activities.
Yes, but according to whom? There's the sticking point.
How am I doing so far?
A fair and equitable inquiry.
Then, the underlying theology would include ideas that the utterance was in and for the local ecclesial community AND for those who (by the activity of the Holy Spirit hear in it the word of God. Therefore, since it is, in a way, irrelevant to those who are not members of the community, they are not competent to "judge" it because it really is discontinuous with their own particular personal life in Christ?
My opinion on the matter is this:
IF one accepts the premise that the offices of the Church are all still in full effect, including apostles and prophets (which I do);
AND IF one believes the gifts of the Spirit to be as described, and as evidenced (which I do);
THEN: One is happy to be looking for works of the Spirit in one's life, and to a great degree, in the Church at large. Such works are confirming of the power of God in the lives of men, and confirming of the promise of Christ.
Those who believe see God's power in their lives ALL_THE_TIME. Great works of the Spirit are abundantly given to those who love the Lord, and who believe on Him - even as it was promised.
Those who are not looking, will not see, and for the most part, REFUSE to see. For such as these, the Spirit can do no works, and the Church has no power. Their minds seek after carnal things, so the carnal is what they find.
Or take the brown acid!
Ya know . . . reading Noah's story . . . and later Christ's warning about it being very similar in this END TIMES ERA . . .
it's easy as an immature person and Christian to be haughty and think . . . yeah, but they were idiots. I'D HAVE KNOWN BETTER.
People of all ages and all types of human wisdom don't get it. Only utter devotion to God and His priorities, His Truth, His Son, walking in His Blood and Spirit
It's so easy for humans, even Christians to have this notion . . . ah, well . . . I was born with such a great IQ . . . and I applied myself so diligently in school and college . . . and I've handled all my jobs so splendidly . . . I'm such a wonderful spouse and my kids are all such model saints . . . I'VE EARNED, I'VE ACHIEVED soooo much knowledge and understanding.
The truth is, in some very real senses,
APART FROM GOD ALIVE IN US
DAILY HELPING US
OVERCOME
OUR OWN CRUD
WE TRULY DON'T KNOW
our left hand from our right
nor how to breathe aright;
nor how to get up and sit down aright;
nor how to crucify our flesh; taking our cross up daily aright;
nor how to put food in the right orifice for the right purpose aright;
nor how to be kind;
. . .
Ritual doesn't cut it.
Dogma doesn't cut it.
Even memorizing Scripture doesn't cut it but is better than a lot of other human efforts TOWARD such--IF done in the right heart attitude for the right heart goal.
Church attendance doesn't cut it.
Church efforts and churchianity doesn't cut it.
Not even right doctrine fully faithfully cuts it . . . though it's a better starting block than wrong doctrine.
A life of sacrificially being RELIGIOUS doesn't cut it. The odds are better when one selflessly sacrifices self-interests etc. that one will be, in the process, drawing closer to God. It's far from guaranteed. One can do all manner of compulsive, slavish things that all around will admire and praise as sooooooo RIGHTEOUS . . . and God will consider all such efforts no better than a used . . . monthly, as the Scripture says.
One can have all one's white hankies in all their proper array . . . tip-toeing through the tuliped unfortunates scattering Christian blessing posies aplenty on the way . . . and be a white-washed tomb of all manner of unrighteous filth.
ONLY VIBRANT, VULNERABLE, SUBMITTED, OBEDIENT DAILY DIALOGUE FILLED WALKING WITH GOD INTIMATELY is a reliable way to 'get it.' To live in His will; to achieve His purposes; to live in concert with His priorities.
HE DOESN'T ACCEPT SUBSTITUTES.
THE COST was toooooo Dear to Him to tolerate substitutes.
thanks , for the ping :)
I tend to bother, more, with answering that type of question from those with eyes to see and ears to hear.
Not very often . . . such questions from the rabid cliques.
Sometimes,
I don’t know if some folks’ denial of THE TRUTH
is more frightful
or their willful blindness is more frightful.
Or are they mostly the same thing?
That post would be easily provable. I have the emails to do it. I might even get a release from the involved Roman Catholic prophet to . . . naw, probably not. He felt pretty strongly that he was NOT AUTHORIZED OF THE LORD to cast such pearls before swine publically on FR.
Scratch that even hypothetically.
BTW, MARYSECRTARY AND JOYA
HAVE THE SAME EMAILS.
Did you get to post 489 yet Quix???????
Growing up, I probably heard it cast that way maybe 80-97% of the time.
In more mature balanced, better taught groups in my adult years, I’ve heard it put that way probably, on average, 60-90% of the time.
Some ‘megaphones’ virtually always speak in that manner. Some, like me, rarely do though I can go through a series of doing so a lot within a short time. Just depends on how it comes into my awareness.
What about slanderers, “prophets” who state baldly that another has committed a crime for which he should be in jail, even though they present no proof?
And what about when the “prophet” states that Earth will shift out of its orbit, and the atmosphere will lighten, even though nowhere in scripture does it mention the Earth’s shifting out of its orbit or the atmosphere lightening?
Do you accept ALL who prophesy, including those who accuse others of committing crimes whilst not presenting any proof of those charges, or those who state that earth will shift out of its orbit?
Is there any penalty affixed to people who makes prophecies that are false? Do you find fault in those who accuse others of committing crimes that they don’t present proof of?
I, too, believe in prophecy. I’m not charismatic but I go to a church where people speak in tongues, and I think it’s perfectly acceptable, and belongs in the modern era.
What amazes me, though...is the alarming number of people here who take Jed at face value while ignoring his prophecies that did not come true and ignoring the fact that he accused Bob of either committing a murder or theft, and no one, not a one of you, addresses those facts.
Ed
So your reply when I show you Jed’s false prophecy is a dot?
Wait until you get to post 489!!
NO, he doesn’t get to say it could happen any time because he kept posting about THAT SPECIFIC STORM.
What has not happened has not happened. "A" specific storm does not add up to "hurricanes and weather not seen before now"
Jed has time and time again posted scripture that DID NOT support his arguments and taken things out of context, etc. He’s been corrected DOZENS of times about his mis-use of scripture.
According to whom? Again, a faulty criteria. This is why the prophets judge the prophets. The only means of immediacy with which to judge a prophet is with a proven prophet of God. Unfortunately, your church seems to have no prophets, having killed them long ago.
So judge him against the great prophets, against the apostles, and against Christ, the Great Prophet, as that is what is left you.
The problem with that is new revelation. Most do not allow for it, and will misjudge due to that fact. So what is left to you is your own hubris.
If the prophet is false, as with all men, his pride will lay him low. but sometimes that takes a very long time.
The best I can say about your post is I guess you haven’t become a full-fledged follower of Jedediahnetics yet.
I will not judge the man. If his prophesying creates a hole he cannot crawl out of, then I will - I will be the first. Until then:
1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.
1Th 5:20 Despise not prophesyings.
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
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