Posted on 10/25/2009 4:31:29 PM PDT by Salvation
Celibacy does not cause or create hypocrisy, it is the homoesexuality that does that.
I don’t think the priests, Bishops and Pope are nuts, they are realists and believe that being married in a prophetic sense to the will of God is far preferable than anything early.
Do we think too much as men do and not as God does?
Keep praying for holy vocations to the priesthood, religious life, marriage and single Catholic lives.
/johnny
Exactly what Holy Scripture are you quoting?
The gates of hell will NOT prevail. Unless scripture is wrong (which I do not believe!). It may get a bit rough, but they will not prevail.
I am so sorry to hear about your father :( , my prayers are with you. Jesus knows his heart, and your intention to get him last rites. Be at peace knowing that. May God hold you and your precious father in the palm of His hand, and grant him heavenly peace.
I met a brand new group of nuns in the Diocese of Spokane while I was at the Serra Club conference on supporting vocations together.
I may not have the name quite right, but they had beautiful havy and white habits — Sisters of Mercy of the Mother of God, I believe.
Oops.
navy and white habits
Thank you.
This is a topic of another article I am banging out. The revelation came to me as I was kneeling waiting to go to communion. I looked up at the altar and it was completely covered in women. There was a priest, and all females-the altar servers, eucharistic ministers, the organist and lector, every one of them was female.
I felt God speak to my heart letting me know that women have no visible role models in the church because it removed “His nuns”. When I grew up, there was a convent at my church. The nuns taught CCD, did the altar linens, made the altar bread, cleaned the church etc. I have not seen a nun in a church for all of the 10 years I have been a revert(unless it was a special occasion- just this 9/11 we had ONE in habit at a memorial mass. First one in 10 years), and it is disheartening. Young ladies today have no role models but male ones in the church. Is it any wonder they want to be altar servers and then priests? They don’t see the options out there, every day, watching women who devoted their lives to God. Thanks for the ping. I hope your nuns will be visible in the parishes! The young girls need to see them!!
“You won’t mind if I remain at large, and celibate. I’m not even Catholic.”
Not in the least, unless you are a monk of some sort in which case, you belong in a monastery.
/johnny
I’m a widow 2-1/2 years, and now living the celibate life after 36 years of a true, wonderful marriage.
I’m grateful for the celibate priesthood. Although it is not exactly the same as my life, I think my incredible loss is understood, with compassion not possible for those who still have their spouses.
Selfishly, I suppose, I’m grateful.
“I’d rather spend a weekend in a convent.”
We call them monasteries, johnny, whether they are filled with nuns or monks.
We now have a priesthood of about 42000 priests.
According to writings By Father Cozzens, Petersen and others, somewhere between 20% and 60% are admitted Homosexuals.
This alone is an Oxymoron since such priests practicing Homosexual Lifestyles are living in sin and it is against the teachings of the bible.
If you are not practicing such a lifestyle why announce you are Homosexual.
This problem is surely confusing and a burden for celibate, straight priests to be living among. in and of itself.
My point is celibacy did not cause the hypocracy, the decision by the Pope and the Vatican to accept thousands of Anglican Married priests to join the Roman Catholic Church, and keep their own structure and practices will cause it.
If I was a celibate Catholic Priest and chose to get married I would join the Anglican group aligned and part of the Catholic church and take a wife.
How can one group be married and another in the same church be refused. it doesn,t make sense.
Under these rules a man joining the priesthood should be able to choose to live Celibate or get married.
The church still needs a purge!!
Marriages may end up half ending in divorce, including Catholics. But you do not go further. You should ask, “Who initiates most of these divorces?” The answer is the female.
A more interesting question is who initiates abortions, the slaughter of unborn? It isn’t the men. Men have no legal rights concerning unborn children. It is all done through women.
I am not pointing a finger of blame at women but on the fact that absolute power corrupts absolutely. All the legal power of marriage is in woman’s hands. People in America are not married to one another, they are married to the State. All a woman has to do is sign some papers and the man becomes a slave to the government. And it is done all the time.
Yet, people like you did not *see* this or even want to see it. No one wants to take up the cross of enslaved men, or the millions of men put in jail based on bogus rape charges or child support statements. For some reason, abortion is blamed on the “culture” or on the “society”, yet one gender, men, have absolutely no power, no say, and really nothing to do with it. Yet, this gets *ignored as well*.
By failing to fight the injustice for these men, we are getting the injustice of socialism rained on us. We can’t fight for freedom in general unless we fight for it in specific.
I, myself, have never been divorced because I was too smart not to marry. Only an idiot man would do so in today’s legal climate. The Church hasn’t helped at all. The “Theology of the Body” nonsense is nothing more than trying to convince the man that the way how Nature made his body is wrong and he must submit to the wife’s will.
The Church used to be filled with manly men. They were necessary to drive back the invading Muslims. Today, the Church is filled with a bunch of pansies. If the Crusades happened today, the Church would just deliver a fruit basket.
Your story of women everywhere in the Church is the reason why I left. The Church is becoming feminized.
There is no reason for a man to be in the Church today. Men are, by law, put on a lesser plane than woman. But in the Church, it is to make the masculine be guilty. However, the “nurturing” and “caring” women get accolades. Being a “man” is no longer welcomed in the Church.
We should keep in mind that Jesus didn’t just tend the sick and hungry, he also whipped those blasphemed his temple. Can you imagine today’s priest whipping merchants like Jesus did? They would just get on their hands and knees to beg while the merchants would just walk on them.
Womb to Tomb, please stop hating men. And know that by driving men from the Church, you not only diminish the Church but liberty as well. John Locke pinned the Rights of Man based on Matrimony, so when Matrimony crumbles so do our rights.
I’m unclear on whether new priests, under the Anglican arrangement, will be required to be celibate. Do you know?
–adjective
3. observing or pertaining to sexual abstention or a religious vow not to marry.
4. not married.
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Origin:
1605–15
celibate
n.
One who abstains from sexual intercourse, especially by reason of religious vows.
One who is unmarried.
adj.
Abstaining from sexual intercourse, especially by reason of religious vows.
Unmarried; unwed.
Usage Note: Historically, celibate means only "unmarried"; its use to mean "abstaining from sexual intercourse" is a 20th-century development. But the new sense of the word seems to have displaced the old, and the use of celibate to mean "unmarried" is now almost sure to invite misinterpretation in other than narrowly ecclesiastical contexts. Sixty-eight percent of the Usage Panel rejected the older use in the sentence He remained celibate [unmarried], although he engaged in sexual intercourse.
Celibacy is built on the concept that there is a level of living above the one where most of us live...one which denies the flesh, and seeks a spiritual plane. But that is not from Scripture. The presbyters (elders) of the church are to be the husbands of one woman, and lead their own households well that they might lead the church (1 Timothy 3). That is the highest level of leadership in the church. There is no additional level for those who have denied their own flesh. That concept comes from Plato, and especially, neo-platonism.
That is a personal choice, but it is not the biblical pattern. 1 Tim 3 makes that clear.
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