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To: wombtotomb

Marriages may end up half ending in divorce, including Catholics. But you do not go further. You should ask, “Who initiates most of these divorces?” The answer is the female.

A more interesting question is who initiates abortions, the slaughter of unborn? It isn’t the men. Men have no legal rights concerning unborn children. It is all done through women.

I am not pointing a finger of blame at women but on the fact that absolute power corrupts absolutely. All the legal power of marriage is in woman’s hands. People in America are not married to one another, they are married to the State. All a woman has to do is sign some papers and the man becomes a slave to the government. And it is done all the time.

Yet, people like you did not *see* this or even want to see it. No one wants to take up the cross of enslaved men, or the millions of men put in jail based on bogus rape charges or child support statements. For some reason, abortion is blamed on the “culture” or on the “society”, yet one gender, men, have absolutely no power, no say, and really nothing to do with it. Yet, this gets *ignored as well*.

By failing to fight the injustice for these men, we are getting the injustice of socialism rained on us. We can’t fight for freedom in general unless we fight for it in specific.

I, myself, have never been divorced because I was too smart not to marry. Only an idiot man would do so in today’s legal climate. The Church hasn’t helped at all. The “Theology of the Body” nonsense is nothing more than trying to convince the man that the way how Nature made his body is wrong and he must submit to the wife’s will.

The Church used to be filled with manly men. They were necessary to drive back the invading Muslims. Today, the Church is filled with a bunch of pansies. If the Crusades happened today, the Church would just deliver a fruit basket.

Your story of women everywhere in the Church is the reason why I left. The Church is becoming feminized.

There is no reason for a man to be in the Church today. Men are, by law, put on a lesser plane than woman. But in the Church, it is to make the masculine be guilty. However, the “nurturing” and “caring” women get accolades. Being a “man” is no longer welcomed in the Church.

We should keep in mind that Jesus didn’t just tend the sick and hungry, he also whipped those blasphemed his temple. Can you imagine today’s priest whipping merchants like Jesus did? They would just get on their hands and knees to beg while the merchants would just walk on them.

Womb to Tomb, please stop hating men. And know that by driving men from the Church, you not only diminish the Church but liberty as well. John Locke pinned the Rights of Man based on Matrimony, so when Matrimony crumbles so do our rights.


35 posted on 10/25/2009 7:42:07 PM PDT by Aquabird
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To: Aquabird

You raise some interesting observations and look at my article in a unique way. Let me, right off the bat, say this; I do not hate men. I am in a traditional catholic marriage of 20 years. I am the barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen and bedroom type. I homeschool my youngest son, my middle son is entering the priesthood next fall, and my oldest son is a devout catholic, preparing to enter the sacrament of matrimony in January, at the age of 22, to a wonderful young lady who plans to be barefoot and pregnant, stay home, raise a family, and respects my son as the head of their family.

I believe NO one has the right to abort a child. God is the author of life, he just allows us to participate.

It is not just the church that has become “pansified” as you put it, it is the culture itself. I am repulsed by the metrosexual man, who is worshipped today. My article pointed out nothing about making a man sensitive or pansylike, it sought to point out that marriage is a sacrament, and once entered into, unbreakable. To paint all women with this broad brush as you do, makes it seem as though there are none of us out here that value a man for being a man, knowing what a true man is, and submitting our authority to one.

Submission to our husbands is key to making a marriage work. Each week at Mass, when we both receive communion and return to our pew, we kneel and pray silently for a moment and then, we join hands and pray for OUR marriage and the strength to continue to endure in Gods will. When we are finished, I kiss his wedding ring as a sign of my fidelity and submission to his authority. He does not kiss mine. I do this publicly every week because I recognize his authority in the marriage and because I am so thankful for the gift of a real man who practices his faith without fear.

All this being said, the things you talk about ARE good material for an article. Prior to the 1960’s, the balance was as it ought to be within the church. The sexual revolution brought about alot of this change. The give peace a chance/make love not war mentality permeated the church, just as it did society, and the sexual revolution caused a paradigm shift in both. I do not know how it happened, but it was men who were in power in both the church and society, and women caused a coup in both and took over.

In fairness, your statement that absolute power corrupts absolutely goes both ways, or we would not have had treated women as property, men would not have been allowed to beat them as long as the stick width was not wider than their finger, and been denied the right to own property throughout history either. It is also very hard to submit to a man who takes longer in the mirror than you do, is abusive or devalues his wife, or worships football instead.

I absolutely see that real men today are given a bum rap. They are considered chauvanists,domineering, rednecks,and other derogatory terms designed to castrate them. They have had the right to have a say in their unborn childs life taken away, and that is tragic and must be changed (although I would be much happier if abortion was just against the law altogether since it is murder no matter who gets to “choose”). I also agree that women initiate more divorces, but, many of those are because men (at least until very recently) did most of the cheating, domestic abuse, leaving, becoming addicted to porn, substance abuse,etc. I think part of what happened was in the 60’s, men were confronted with the opportunities of sex and drug abuse in new ways and weren’t prepared to handle the pressure. If they had pushed back at that time, when they DID have the power, and squashed it, perhaps alot of these things would not be so prevelant today?

I have done the best I can to add 3 manly men to society by marrying one manly man. I am sad to see that instead of using your manliness to raise manly men, you have chosen instead to blame ALL women as well as marriage, for the failure of society. You have not helped to correct the situation by being fruitful and multiplying and training up a child the way he should go, you have left the task of doing to others. By withdrawing yourself from being eligible to marry and pass along the correct view to your children, you have weakened Gods army by the number of children you could have added to the fight. As to the Theology of the Body discussion, I have taken the course, and it is NOT in any way a teaching that a mans body is wrong and he has to submit to his wifes will, it merely teaches the couple to know when she is fertile and they can then CHOOSE to abstain from sex during that period to prevent pregnancy or to have sex and conceive. You know, God did create both sexes, and both are very different; complementary if you will. Neither is bad or wrong.

You are 100 percent correct in your last paragraph about matrimony. When it crumbles, so do our rights. It is precisely the reason I wrote the article in the first place, to explain WHY matrimony is UNBREAKABLE and to point out the importance God placed upon it and why. I am sorry you took away from it that I was a man hater from it, as nothing could be further from the truth.


49 posted on 10/26/2009 4:24:05 AM PDT by wombtotomb
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