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Does the Church teach two Gospels?
http://www.torahtimes.org/gospel101.html ^ | 10/25/2009 | Daniel Gregg

Posted on 10/25/2009 1:24:33 PM PDT by Daniel Gregg

 

Does the Church teach two Gospels?  Daniel Gregg

Also posted at Torahtimes.org

          When the preacher says Christ died for our sin, what does it make you think?  Does it make you think that he paid the penalty for sin so that the repentant might be forgiven?   Or does it make you think one only needs to believe to be perfectly righteous in God's sight, and then one is saved on the basis of God's vision of righteousness?

     Believe it or not, the Church teaches two gospels.  One is a gospel of repentance and pardon, by which a man may be saved.  The other is a gospel of acquittal and divine blindness to sin, which if swallowed whole leads to Hell.   The good news of the pardon is Messiah's payment of the penalty, which is valid for those who repent.  The false gospel is a gospel of legal philosophy that rejects the necessity of repentance at its very foundation.

      Many Christians have taken the true gospel to heart.  Many more, however, have taken the false gospel to heart.  And most of those believing the true gospel are ignorant of the false Quisling Gospel (Quisling was a traitor and Nazi sympathizer) that has taken their Christian brothers to the Spiritual Death Camps.

     What is an acquittal?  An acquittal is when a judge finds the accused innocent of all crimes.  The case of the defendant is dismissed for lack of incriminating evidence, and the accused is free to go.  A pardon happens when the accused is found guilty, admits their guilt, and then the judge finds a merciful reason to let them go without punishment.  It is expected that the pardoned will no longer commit the crimes of their former life.

      If a judge acquits a guilty person, we call it a miscarriage of justice, or if the judge knows he is acquitting the guilty, a travesty of justice.   If a judge pardons someone who repents, we say the judge is merciful and wise.   If the judge pardons someone who he knows will keep committing crimes and has no intention to repent then we call it an abuse of leniency.

      What I am saying is that the Church has suffered a spiritual holocaust or genocide ten times greater than that of the Nazi murder of the Jews.   The gospel of acquittal has led most to believe that they have a righteous status in God's eyes, and that the meaning of the good news has to do with God dismissing his case against them on the discovery of righteousness in them or in their account.  All they have to do is "believe" the message.   When they understand the gospel this way, then they don't see the need for repentance.  Therefore they have no true conversion.

     It does not matter whether one is Catholic, Protestant, Anglican, Messianic, Baptist, Seventh Day Adventist, Seventh Day Baptist, or any other denomination.  The same malady has infected them all.  More Christians are going to perish in the lake of fire because they believed the false gospel which did not lead them to repentance than there are Jews who perished in the Holocaust.

     So I will throw out a few barbs for discussion to illustrate the false gospel vs. the real one.  It is said the cross teaches "justification by faith" which means being made righteous in God's sight or declared righteous.   It doesn't really matter here whether one subscribes to the Catholic facet of the false gospel or the Lutheran/Calvinist nuance.   Either way it teaches that "justified by faith" means becoming righteous in God's sight.   Sounds like the magic wand of acquittal doesn't it?  Well it is.  God has no reason to consider anyone perfectly righteous when they are not actually perfectly righteous unless the reason for being of the doctrine is to issue an acquittal and declare the "believer" innocent!

      It is time to stop this murder by legal lies that don't make any sense.   In the Hellenistic/Koine Greek of Paul's day, the word "justified" from the Greek δικαιοω simply meant "justiced", in the sense of having justice done, or doing justice for someone, or pleading the case of justice.  Alister McGrath admits this in Iustitia Dei.  We also find the proper definition in Thayer at the end of the entry, and in BDAG (def. #1, though obscured).   It is used in the sense of a penalty or punishment.   Though a rarely used English word, the sense is "justiced".   They hanged the crook and he was justiced.   So then when Paul uses the word δικαιοω, he merely means that we are "justiced" in Messiah, i.e. he paid the penalty in our place.   Therefore, it has nothing to do with the nonsense of "declared righteous" as the legal outcome of forgiveness of sins.   We still have to repent in order to BE RIGHTEOUS, and in fact repentance is expected.

     Second point, in Paul's conception "believe" meant "faithfulness/commitment".  See the afore mentioned BDAG Lexicon (c. 2000, 3rd edition) on πιστις and πιστευω, def. #1 and #2 respectively.  So the phrase "justified by faith" means "justiced by faithfulness" (cf. Rom. 5:1).   Now before you get all het up and think I'm saying we are justiced by our faithfulness, listen a minute.  Paul did not mean our faithfulness.  He meant Messiah's faithfulness.   We are "justiced by [Messiah's] faithfulness" to do the work of paying the penalty on the cross.  This concept is no longer foreign to scholars as texts like Rom. 3:22 and Gal 2:16 have already been recognized as referring to the "faithfulness of Jesus Christ" and not to "faith in Jesus" Christ.  So you see, Paul already defined it as Messiah's faithfulness by which we are justiced.   How do you receive this?  Make a commitment to be faithful to him, and you will be justiced in Messiah.

      If you understand this, then you will know why Christianity is such a mess and is no longer the salt of the earth.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: faithfulness; gospel; justiced; messiah; yeshua
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O.k. let's see the fireworks fly.
1 posted on 10/25/2009 1:24:34 PM PDT by Daniel Gregg
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To: Daniel Gregg

Easy Question: Jesus said Repent and believe the Gospel Mark 1:15. Jesus said it was singular I will stick with him.


2 posted on 10/25/2009 1:39:07 PM PDT by vicar7
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To: Daniel Gregg
Let me just quote one very important verse that can't possibly be taken in more ways than one. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved". Not believe and give,not believe and be good and do deeds, not go door to door and bug people, but simply believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Forget sin, every sin that has ever been committed or will ever be committed was forgiven at the cross. (when He died for the sins of the world)

The question will not be "how much sin did you commit", "how much good did you do", but "what did you do with my Son".

3 posted on 10/25/2009 1:43:10 PM PDT by fish hawk (Lord, help us to attain knowledge and the wisdom to apply it toward your ultimate will.)
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To: Daniel Gregg
God has no reason to consider anyone perfectly righteous when they are not actually perfectly righteous unless the reason for being of the doctrine is to issue an acquittal and declare the "believer" innocent!

Ping for later

4 posted on 10/25/2009 1:47:16 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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To: vicar7
Easy Question: Jesus said Repent and believe the Gospel Mark 1:15. Jesus said it was singular I will stick with him.

I gather by this that you think repentance is a one time thing? The Greek μετανοειτε in Mark 1:15 is in the present tense. This Greek tense is use in both the senses of the English simple present and present progressive. So I would render it a imperative present progressive: Be repenting

Unless I am mistaken then, clearly with the belief that you need repent only once you believe that God has a righteous vision of you and you need do nothing further to be righteous.

5 posted on 10/25/2009 1:53:11 PM PDT by Daniel Gregg (www.torahtimes.org)
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To: Daniel Gregg

Your right there are two gospels recorded in the Bible (actually more than two). Your wrong about everything else you wrote beyond there are two gospels.


6 posted on 10/25/2009 2:08:18 PM PDT by PoloSec (2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, ri)
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To: All; Godzilla

“I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.”

Apostle Paul to the Romans


7 posted on 10/25/2009 2:09:03 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: All

Proverbs 6:16-19 (New International Version)

16 There are six things the LORD hates,
seven that are detestable to him:

17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,

18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,

19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.


8 posted on 10/25/2009 2:11:15 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: fish hawk
Not believe and give,not believe and be good and do deeds, not go door to door and bug people, but simply believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Forget sin, every sin that has ever been committed or will ever be committed was forgiven at the cross.

You state the 'believe only' tradition well. I alluded to the fact in the article that πιστευω does not mean "believe" in the NT. It means "to commit" and is so translated by the KJV 7x. For example:

KJV John 2:24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,

So a proper English translation of the text you quoted is, "Commit to the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved"

This of course imlies more than intellectual assent. It implies total loyalty and support to Christ. As such πιστευω implies repentance.

The question will not be "how much sin did you commit", "how much good did you do", but "what did you do with my Son".

The question is likely to be a bit more specific than that. It will be, "Why did you turn the pardon available in My Son into a legal Acquittal"

9 posted on 10/25/2009 2:11:54 PM PDT by Daniel Gregg (www.torahtimes.org)
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To: Daniel Gregg

I often wonder how modern Christianity would be different if Paul was removed. To me, it seems the majority of Churches have given Paul an equal if not higher place than Christ.


10 posted on 10/25/2009 2:13:30 PM PDT by TruthBeforeAll (To liberals if something is a complete and utter disaster, it's because there's not enough of it.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
“I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.” Apostle Paul to the Romans

Boomerang!

11 posted on 10/25/2009 2:19:22 PM PDT by Daniel Gregg (www.torahtimes.org)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

KJV Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.


12 posted on 10/25/2009 2:20:57 PM PDT by Daniel Gregg (www.torahtimes.org)
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To: Daniel Gregg

KJV Proverbs 17:15 “He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.”

Daniel,
I ain’t calling you just or wicked - just observing
your threads seem to focus on things that foster
dissension among br’ers.
ampu


13 posted on 10/25/2009 2:36:45 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Daniel Gregg
< rhetorical_question>Where've we heard this before?< /rhetorical_question>
We don't believe in TULIP. Calvinism is a cult. We can get along with them, but through bitter experience have found that they WILL not get along with us.

Got that right.

Good luck with that Law keeping stuff. Tell us how it works out, why doncha?

14 posted on 10/25/2009 2:50:00 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("What is your only comfort, in life and death?" "That I an not my own, but belong, body and soul...")
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To: Daniel Gregg
“commit” or “believe” , matters not upon which I stated. Pick your own semantics. I stated a Biblical truth. Both make sense to me and does not change a thing.
15 posted on 10/25/2009 3:10:53 PM PDT by fish hawk (Lord, help us to attain knowledge and the wisdom to apply it toward your ultimate will.)
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To: Daniel Gregg
I resent your post #1. As a good Christian, which I suspect you are by your thread, by what you state in post one looks as though you are throwing this out to see how much argument you can stir up. (or “fireworks” as you call it)
16 posted on 10/25/2009 3:14:57 PM PDT by fish hawk (Lord, help us to attain knowledge and the wisdom to apply it toward your ultimate will.)
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To: fish hawk

“by what you state in post one looks as though you are throwing this out to see how much argument you can stir up. (or “fireworks” as you call it)”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2370650/posts?page=13#13


17 posted on 10/25/2009 3:34:35 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Daniel Gregg

Tis a one time thing: turning going to other way. change of heart or mind that leads to change of direction. Believe means trust in rely on. Gospel is Jesus came as God in the flesh to die for sin and rose again that we might have life in him.


18 posted on 10/25/2009 4:01:19 PM PDT by vicar7
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To: Daniel Gregg; Alex Murphy; aMorePerfectUnion; Lee N. Field

Interesting. Devoid of substance, but interesting to see those outside the Church of Christ will go to tear her down.

“Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines. For it is good that the heart be established by grace, not with foods which have not profited those who have been occupied with them.” (Heb. 13:9)


19 posted on 10/25/2009 4:17:21 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Don't whine to me. It's all Darby's fault.")
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To: Daniel Gregg

Tense: Present
Voice: Active
Mood: Imperative

1) to change one’s mind, i.e. to repent

2) to change one’s mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one’s past sins

“Repentance (metanoia, ‘change of mind’) involves a turning with contrition from sin to God; the repentant sinner is in the proper condition to accept the divine forgiveness.” (F. F. Bruce. The Acts of the Apostles [Greek Text Commentary], London: Tyndale, 1952, p. 97.)


20 posted on 10/25/2009 5:18:32 PM PDT by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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