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Bishop criticizes ‘slavishly literal’ English translation of missal
The Catholic Review ^ | 10/22/2009 | Mark Pattison

Posted on 10/24/2009 5:30:59 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam

WASHINGTON – Bishop Donald W. Trautman of Erie, Pa., former chairman of the U.S. bishops’ liturgy committee, sharply criticized what he called the “slavishly literal” translation into English of the new Roman Missal from the original Latin.

He said the “sacred language” used by translators “tends to be elitist and remote from everyday speech and frequently not understandable” and could lead to a “pastoral disaster.”

“The vast majority of God’s people in the assembly are not familiar with words of the new missal like ‘ineffable,’ ‘consubstantial,’ ‘incarnate,’ ‘inviolate,’ ‘oblation,’ ‘ignominy,’ ‘precursor,’ ‘suffused’ and ‘unvanquished.’ The vocabulary is not readily understandable by the average Catholic,” Bishop Trautman said.

“The (Second Vatican Council’s) Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy stipulated vernacular language, not sacred language,” he added. “Did Jesus ever speak to the people of his day in words beyond their comprehension? Did Jesus ever use terms or expressions beyond his hearer’s understanding?”

Bishop Trautman made his remarks in an Oct. 22 lecture at The Catholic University of America in Washington, as part of the Monsignor Frederick R. McManus Lecture Series. Monsignor McManus, a liturgist, served as a peritus, or expert, during Vatican II.

The Roman Missal has not yet been given final approval for use in the United States. The U.S. bishops were scheduled to vote on four items pertaining to the missal at their November general meeting in Baltimore. It is expected that the Vatican Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments would give its “recognitio,” or approval, at some point following the U.S. bishops’ vote.

Bishop Trautman took note of sentences in the new missal that he said run 66, 70 and 83 words, declaring that they were “unproclaimable” by the speaker and “incomprehensible” to the hearer.

“American Catholics have every right to expect the translation of the new missal to follow the rules for English grammar. The prefaces of the new missal, however, violate English syntax in a most egregious way,” Bishop Trautman said, citing some examples in his remarks.

“The translators have slavishly transposed a Lain ‘qui’ clause into English without respecting English sentence word order,” he added. The bishop also pointed out subordinate clauses from the missal that are “represented as a sentence,” and sentences lacking a subject and predicate.

Bishop Trautman also questioned the use of “I believe” in the retranslated version of the Nicene Creed, “even though the original and official Nicene Creed promulgated by the first Ecumenical Council of Nicaea in 325 said ‘we believe’ in both the Greek and Latin versions.

“Since this is a creedal prayer recited by the entire assembly in unison, the use of ‘we’ emphasized the unity of the assembly in praying this together as one body. Changing the plural form of ‘we’ to ‘I’ in the Nicene Creed goes against all ecumenical agreements regarding common prayer texts,” he said.

The bishop complained about the lack of “pastoral style” in the new translation. The current wording in Eucharistic Prayer 3 asks God to “welcome into your kingdom our departed brothers and sisters,” which he considered “inspiring, hope-filled, consoling, memorable.”

The new translation asks God to “give kind admittance to your kingdom,” which Bishop Trautman called “a dull lackluster expression which reminds one of a ticket-taker at the door. ... The first text reflects a pleading, passionate heart and the latter text a formality – cold and insipid.”

Bishop Trautman quoted the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, which said rites and texts “should radiate a noble simplicity. They should be short, clear, free from useless repetition. They should be within the people’s powers of comprehension, and normally should not require much explanation.”

“Why are these conciliar directives not implemented in the new missal?” he asked. They are “especially” relevant, Bishop Trautman added, to “the people of the third millennium: children, teenagers, adults, those with varying degrees of education, and those with English as a second language.”

He acknowledged that “there are those who disagree with the way the liturgical reform of Vatican II was interpreted and implemented” and who maintained that “a reform of the reform” was necessary to stem what they saw as “diminishing religiosity (and) declining Mass attendance” tied to the Mass texts.

But while “the Latin text is the official, authoritative text,” Bishop Trautman said, “the Latin text is not inspired. It is a human text, reflecting a certain mindset, theology and world view.”

As a consequence, “a major and radical change” and “a major pastoral, catechetical problem erupts” in the new missal during the words of consecration, which say that the blood of Christ “will be poured out for you and for many,” instead of “for all,” as is currently the practice.

“For whom did Jesus not die?” Bishop Trautman asked. “In 1974 the Holy See itself had approved our present words of institution (consecration) as an accurate, orthodox translation of the Latin phrase ‘pro multis,’“ he added. “It is a doctrine of our Catholic faith that Jesus died on the cross for all people.”

Bishop Trautman took issue with a 2006 letter to bishops by Nigerian Cardinal Francis Arinze, then head of the Vatican Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments, which said that “salvation is not brought about in some mechanistic way, without one’s own willing or participation.”

“I respond that Jesus died even for those who reject his grace. He died for all,” Bishop Trautman said.

“Why do we now have a reversal? The Aramaic and Latin texts have not changed. The scriptural arguments have not changed, but the insistence on literal translation has changed.”

Bishop Trautman hearkened back to Monsignor McManus, whom he called “an apostle of the liturgical renewal.”

“If Monsignor McManus were with us today, he would call us to fidelity to the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy and encourage us to produce a translation of the missal that is accurate, inspiring, referent, proclaimable, understandable, pastoral in every sense – a text that raises our minds and hearts to God.”


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To: kitkat

“I do not object to the Latin Mass for those who have sufficient training in Latin. I do think the English Mass attracts those who don’t.”

Attending Mass was the training in Latin that many millions of Catholics had for well over 1000 years.Most of these folks had never seen the inside of a school room.

In the early and mid ‘60s these “children of the fifties” and forties were still faithfully attending Mass. The statistics clearly show that Mass attendance started dropping after the introduction of English into the Mass in the mid-sixties when so many of our pastors and bishops lied to us by saying that Latin had been outlawed.

With the adoption of the Novus Ordo Mass in 1969, the abandonment of Catholic Sacred Music, the physical destruction of our churches (removal of Communion rails, statues, altars, etc.), much of the green growth of young Catholicism was successfully severed from its roots and largely disappeared.

The English 1969 Mass with its banal OCP pop-slop attracts very few.
I would bet that there are more ex-Catholics in my community than there are practicing Catholics.


81 posted on 10/25/2009 8:35:18 AM PDT by rogator
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To: Unam Sanctam

“The vocabulary is not readily understandable by the average Catholic,” Bishop Trautman said.

I think part of that statement was left off. The correct quote is:

“The vocabulary is not readily understandable by the average Catholic, thanks to the untiring efforts of bishops like me. Keep ‘em stupid we always say, the less they know about the faith the more we can get away with.”

Freegards


82 posted on 10/25/2009 9:24:47 AM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Slavishly literal? It’s a good thing I’m just a stupid lay person who doesn’t know what “slavish” means, or else I might be offended.


83 posted on 10/25/2009 10:21:32 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sarah Palin -- I love her because she freaks out all the right people.)
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To: Unam Sanctam
Here's a radical thought. So what if the language is not understandable? What will happen? We are talking about sacred things. This is Jesus speaking with the Father through the priest.

Why must it be in street language? Maybe, just maybe, if the language were to employ toughie words, we might encounter mystery again. Our minds might be awakened to what is truly happening at Mass.

And that isn't so that so-and-so can now get up into the ambo and do his or her thing. Or to be the first EMHC up to the sanctuary and get to hold the ciborium.

We're talking about our Salvation...our eternal destiny. And perhaps in recovering mysterious words, we'll get our eyes off our navels and allow heaven's momentary lifting of the veil to pierce our eyes and hearts so that we may fall on our faces and worship God as he truly deserves to be loved and adored.

We have had 40 long years of wretched vernacular. Has it made us more reverent? Has it made us day-by-day fall on our faces in adoration of the ineffable gift that is Christ in the Blessed Sacrament? Instead, our belief in the Real Presence has eroded and we have lost what is most important in worship, and that is humility. It is in humility that God fills our souls because we know who we are and Who He is.

So use the hard language. Let God's transcendence push your borders, let him grow you in your understanding of the depth of His Otherness. Then you'll know who you truly are.

84 posted on 10/25/2009 11:04:55 AM PDT by Carolina (Adoro te devote latens Deitas)
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To: Tax-chick

85 posted on 10/25/2009 11:05:43 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - (recess appointment))
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To: Unam Sanctam

Less than 2 years until he turns 75. Deo gratia.


86 posted on 10/25/2009 12:07:15 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Salvation
Guess what words are going to be on the Catholic Word of the Day list.

Great idea!

87 posted on 10/25/2009 12:22:46 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: AnAmericanMother

That pack behavior in catz makes me very nervous.


88 posted on 10/25/2009 12:37:11 PM PDT by Tax-chick (God is great, and wine is good, and people are crazy.)
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To: Cicero
Trautman is still using his position in the bishops’ conference to block reform of the English translation of the liturgy

I think he's out of the picture; he's the former head of the liturgy committee. (Bishop Serratelli is the current head.) Trautperson's just fussing from the sidelines.

Besides, the Vatican has said WRT the translation project, essentially (putting this in the common vernacular so my fellow Catholics can understand): "Yo, fellas, you can do this thing with us, or we can do it for you, but either way it's gonna get done, so deal with it".

89 posted on 10/25/2009 1:59:36 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: Tax-chick
He iz liek, "Oh hai, I mades u," but teh wurld duznt sees him.(11) He iz comes to his stuffs, but his stuffs sez "Do not want!"(12) And sum guyz did want, and sez "Teh Ceiling Cat pwns," and deez guyz iz liek his kidz—(13) But not liek reel kidz, k? Iz liek teh Ceiling Cats kidz.

ROFLM[deleted]O !!

90 posted on 10/25/2009 2:03:12 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: kitkat

You wrote:

“Actually, that’s not the way it happened.”

Yeah, actually it is.

“I was there. The New Mass did not cause the Church to lose attendance.”

It’s not the only reason, but it is a major factor - and still is.

“It was caused by the shortage of Catholic schools.”

No.

“Immediately after WWII when our veterans returned from overseas, there was an immense shortage of homes. The suburbs expanded almost overnight, often without space for enough Catholic churches and schools.”

Irrelevant. Ever notice how many families send their kids to Catholic schools but DO NOT attend Mass on Sundays? That’s actually quite common.

“The result was a whole generation of children, many of whom never received proper education in the Mass.”

Again, no. Yes, there was a shortage of Catholic schools. catholics schools back east combatted that by having two different sessions in one day. The diocese combatted that by creating a massive CCD network. Clearly the shortage of Catholic schools was NOT the problem. There were almost no Catholic schools in America before the 1840s yet Mass attendance was DRAMATICALLY higher than today. Your explanation makes no sense. Go to many parishes today and you might discover that the most devout Catholic kids are often the ones NOT GOING to Catholic schools.

“I recall my father advising our Pastor just before the end of the war that it was time to expand the school because there would be an influx of veterans’ children needing a Catholic education. The Pastor just didn’t believe it would happen. It HAPPENED. And it happened all over the country.”

Yes, and thousands of Catholic schools were built in the 1950s and 1960s. And that all ground to a halt shortly after Vatican II. Coincidence?

“The New Mass was a Godsend to the children of the fifties who hadn’t had the advantage of instruction in the Latin Mass.”

Nonsense. If it was a Godsend then that generation would be faithful. That generation, however, is NOT very faithful overall.

“Then came the sixties, drugs, immorality and the “new” sexual freedom. Fewer and fewer young adults and their teenagers attended Mass. Please, blame it on the sixties and the drug culture, and the shortage of Catholic schools in the fifties, not the New Mass.”

I’ll blame all of them - because all were blameworthy in that regard.

“After twelve years of Catholic school education, including the Latin Mass, I enjoy knowing that any one who walks into my church today can understand what both the priest and the congregation are saying even though most schools have stopped teaching Latin.”

(sigh) After twelve years of Catholic school education, you should be smart enough to know a literate person could always know what the priest is saying by looking in his missal!!! Why not spit out some other sill caricature? Here’s what I know: after 12 years of Catholic education and even more years attending both the Latin Mass and the New Mass at the same time, I know that the average Latin Mass goer knows the Mass, the Faith and the doctrines of the Catholic Church BETTER than even many well educated New Mass goers. Why is that do you think?

“I do not object to the Latin Mass for those who have sufficient training in Latin.”

In your missal IT IS IN ENGLISH. You need no training in Latin as all to follow along. Usually it takes a person - new to the Latin Mass - about three visits to figure out what is going on. After that they get it just fine. I have introduced many people to the Latin mass, including whole families, over the last 14 years and they’ve been transformed by it. None of them had significant problems understanding it or getting it. Give them a missal, show them how to use it, and they get it down in just a few visits. It’s really no different for people going to the New Mass. They have to go to Mass several times to figure out what is happening when. The difference is that I can guarantee that a person going to the Latin Mass will learn more and better theology than the person going to the average New Mass. Period.

“I do think the English Mass attracts those who don’t.”

The Latin Mass is attracting a lot of people who have NEVER, EVER studied Latin a single day in their lives. Explain that. Can you?

I think you’re being short sighted. The New Mass - as our pope has admitted - was an inorganic liturgy forcible imposed upon an unprepared laity. It was NOT envisioned by Vatican II, it was asked for by Vatican II, and Pope Paul VI probably knew it was a mistake after he issued it - or so say those who have examined his words and actions in this regard. The New Mass is better than no Mass. That doesn’t mean it is as good as the old Mass. Quite frankly how could it be when it isn’t what Vatican II wanted, it is so poorly translated that it still isn’t even approved by the Vatican and it is known to have helped drop Mass attendance through the floor.


91 posted on 10/25/2009 2:14:25 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Campion

O hai! How u?


92 posted on 10/25/2009 2:17:36 PM PDT by Tax-chick (God is great, and wine is good, and people are crazy.)
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To: Tax-chick

I not spk KATZ bt m OK. :-)


93 posted on 10/25/2009 2:31:06 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: kitkat
I do not object to the Latin Mass for those who have sufficient training in Latin.

All the training in Latin you need, just $59.95 (postage not included)

94 posted on 10/25/2009 2:33:42 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: Unam Sanctam

Dear Bp. Trautman:

In other words, you either think those of us in the pew are too stupid to look up words we don’t know in the dictionary, or is it that once the new translation comes out all of us in the pew will think that you and your fellow bishops were too stupid yourself to know the meaning of these beautiful words.

I think there are a lot of people, who have suffered with the bad translation over the last 40 years, who will say, “We were robbed of beauty!”


95 posted on 10/25/2009 3:19:05 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: Campion

No catz? Epic fail ...


96 posted on 10/25/2009 6:08:05 PM PDT by Tax-chick (God is great, and wine is good, and people are crazy.)
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To: Tax-chick
It's normal - but we call it a "pride".

They're harmless, just looking for noms. I bred the little rascals for 15 years, so we were periodically overrun with kittehs.

97 posted on 10/25/2009 6:24:59 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

Now I understand. We’ve never had more than two at a time. My neighbor’s catz sometimes come over in a mob like that when I put the garage door up ... Shannon shrieks at them out the front windows, and Ash snivels and goes in her cage. She’s afraid of catz, except for ours.


98 posted on 10/25/2009 6:27:25 PM PDT by Tax-chick (God is great, and wine is good, and people are crazy.)
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To: Campion; Tax-chick
Just one more . . . .

Happy Cat an no Cheezburger??!!!11one

18 John's peeps an teh Farisees wuz no eatin teh cheezburgers, but Happy Cat an hiz peeps were all "Cheezburger OM NOM NOM!". An evrybody wuz lyke, "Y no fasting? U B eatin teh cheezburgers!"19 Happy Cat sed "D00d, teh Ceiling Cat iz heer, so itz a partee!20 But wen de kuul katz leaev teh partee, itz nottuh partee, so no moar cheezburgurs.21 K so liek if y00 put frehs watr n a durty boel, thne ur frehs watr iz al skummy!22 Adn liek if y00 put noo littr n a durty littrboxs, thne it stil smelz. Y00 get hyumins to cleen it furst. Srsly."

99 posted on 10/25/2009 6:32:11 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - (recess appointment))
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To: Tax-chick
Don't give them any noms, or the pride won't leave you alone.

Poor Ash! She's not used to kittehs in quantity. At least not STRANGE kittehs in quantity.

Shelley is VERY wary of cats because my 14 pound male Siamese used to beat her up. Ruby has never gotten The Claw Across the Nose, so she harasses our little female Siamese, who just puts her head down and submits to being bathed by The Tongue.

100 posted on 10/25/2009 6:33:48 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - (recess appointment))
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