Arrrlllllgh...
Posted on 10/23/2009 9:36:25 AM PDT by marshmallow
His “...daring scheme?”
Wow.
It's not just England. These requests are coming mostly from ex-Anglicans from all over the English speaking world. Australia has played a large role in this movement.
They're basically interested in how they can (re)join the Catholic Church in visible communion with the Pope ... and still hang on to their Anglican liturgical culture.
Correct on both points.
I think the BH0 worshiping Episcopalians are part of the reason these conservative Anglicans want to cross the river.
These requests for visible communion with Rome have been going on for many years now, long before BHO took office.
The BH0 worship is just a symptom of the deeper doctrinal problems ... the same folks gushed over Kerry, Gore, Clinton, Dukakis, etc. in their time.
You're a lucky man ...
Had the good fortune to visit Trinidad and Tobago for the holidays. GREAT food.
Even the TT stuff available on Long Island is pretty damn good.
But my mother-in-law, bless her heart, makes a fabulous curry. I have to bring my own beer though.
OK, Pal, I’ll have to grant you that you’ve had reasons to go to parishes all over the Archdiocese. I still say the Archdiocese of LA is probably infested with illegal-lovin truth and justice types, but I am in NO WAY finding it on a par with or anything but far superior to the piskie pretenders.
And kudos on being KofC. The Cardinal said mass at my little Anglican Use chapel and our KofC guys were there with their swords, sashes, and swashbuckler hats. It was a most impressive site. Rilly.
A hopelessly simplistic explanation. You can't understand the context of his actions unless you take into account the wars of succession that had plagued England for a couple of centuries prior to Henry VII's accession to the throne.
A major underlying issue in the divorce drama was Henry's (and England's) need for the queen to produce a male heir.
That takes nothing away from Henry's other faults, but you can't just ignore what had gone before.
I know. I find his position arrogant and conceited. This isn’t even about him. He has a happy flock, a good worship space, and a dynamic outreach program. He has one of the most successful parishes in TEC. It is so good that even though I left and became Catholic, I’ve returned, for a time, because I can’t find that spirit in my new church home.
I appreciate him taking a stand, but I think the issues here are so much greater than “unholy poaching” that it makes him seem rather small.
Pssst... Peter was a cottontail.
If it weren’t for the need for diplomatic relations with Spain, would there have been a problem with Henry putting a bastard prince on the throne?
She was the widow of Henry's brother, and the marriage required a Papal Bull (granted under pressure) to allow the marriage to take place at all. To then ask for an annulment.... well, that was a bit much for Rome.
Anyway ... one might speculate that Henry would not have married Catherine on his own; perhaps a male heir would have resulted from some different marriage, and the whole divorce thing might have been avoided.
Not a Bull, just a fairly standard dispensation. I doubt there was any real pressure required, either.
Queen Katherine went to her grave denying that her marriage to Prince Arthur was ever consummated, which (canonically speaking) rendered the dispensation moot.
That's not how the history went, though. It was a big deal at the time.
Source?
After a little reading, it appears that the dispensation was granted twice, once in a letter and once in a formal Bull (unusual for something so routine). I don’t see much evidence of “pressure” being needed to grant the bull per se, but only to grant it before Queen Isabella died.
Well, it’s a bit doubtful isn’t it? Isn’t that what makes the story so compelling? HE was the one that was shooting blanks, but it was the women who got the axe. I realize it was more complicated than that and that he did have two sons, btw.
Perhaps a trade can be worked out.
BTTT!
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