For such a vivid
DEMONSTRATION
Of how to be utterly
SCIENTIFICALLY
THOROUGHLY
INACCURATE,
FALSE,
UNTRUE,
!!!WRONG!!!
So thoughtful of you!
besides go catatonic.
500 times
enlightenment might BEGIN to dawn.
Posted on 10/17/2009 4:39:18 PM PDT by Jedediah
A manifold witness I have placed in you ,
All that is faithful and true ,
A oneness of The Father and I in one breath ,
Can you imagine this depth ,
For what once rested upon me ,
Was the one and the three in complete harmony ,
And so it is even now My fullness with you ,
For as you witness me all 3 come through ~ ~ ~
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 16:6-12 (King James Version)
6But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.
7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
1 Corinthians 4:18-21 (New King James Version) 18 Now some are puffed up, as though I were not coming to you. 19 But I will come to you shortly, if the Lord wills, and I will know, not the word of those who are puffed up, but the power. 20 For the kingdom of God is not in word but in power. 21 What do you want? Shall I come to you with a rod, or in love and a spirit of gentleness?
Yep...I ran out of gas and I thought I would just leave it hanging for someone else (you, for example) to make that point.;-)
Always fascinating how the
scientifically challenged still seem to think there
IS
an
“objective.”
LOL.
Guess they don’t talk to quantum physicists much.
I’m waiting for your scientific, quantum or even Newtonian, proof. That’s the point.
"In fact, proof itself is a relative thing…
Unless you too see the logical error and self-contradiction in this statement, I think we have different definitions of logic as well as "scientific proof."
The subject is usually a fight between those who think Civil War and Kosovo threads should exist, and those who don't.
/recursion
Beautiful.
If you have a definition of "scientific proof" (other than a mathematical proof) which refers to the "absolute" quality of proof (as opposed to its relative quality), please provide it.
I meant to ping you to post #748, but somehow didn’t.
Amazing story there Ed, thanks for sharing that. Nice to see you survived and came out the other side healthy. Did the rest of your family ever escape these cults?
By the way, we’ve yet to hear from Jedediah about his miracle, he’s been judiciously avoiding answering a lot of questions from a lot of people since he’s told us that he’s a prophet and a healer.
Yes, my Mom became a Christian when she got liver cancer, she was baptized and died a Christian.
My grandma never converted. She was one of the original homesteaders in Gold Hill, Oregon, went to the Gold Hill High School in the 1800’s and Southern Oregon Normal School in the early 1900’s and was a believing Quaker.
The she was molested, turned against Christianity, and went to San Diego and joined the Spiritualist Society and became a medium, then got involved with the Bessant/Lucifer Trust Theosophical Society and never left the occult.
My stepdad was into the occult, too. He was a devout Theosophist and we had numerous debates about the occult and Jesus Christ.
He never converted. He retired to Krotona, a home for Theosophists in Ojai, California, and never, ever questioned his beliefs.
My sister and I both became Christians and renounced all that stuff, thank God...they can have very, very powerful holds on you.
See ya’,
Ed
P.S. Interesting side note: I never knew Grandma had been a Quaker. I got saved in North Idaho, (my Dad was from there) and the church I started going to was Hayden Friends, in Hayden Lake, Idaho. They were not really Quaker, more Abbot Loop evengelical, but kept the name Friends.
Well, when I told my Mom I was going to a Quaker church, she was really surprised, and told me that my great grandparents had been Quakers. She said it was an interesting coincidence, that Grandma was a Quaker who renounced Christianity, and I renounced the occult, and became Christian in a Quaker church.
I didn’t think it was a coincidence, it felt more like God was putting right what went wrong in my family, even to going to the same type of church my grandma had renounced!
***Proof is awfully nice, but most human knowledge exists without proof and much (actually, all) human endeavor proceeds without absolute assurances because absolute assurances don’t exist.***
Most human ‘knowledge’ exists with some sort of backup evidence. This alien intereference idea has existed for a couple of hundred years and has had zero substantiation. With the claims of such commonplace incidents, there ought to be a large collection of proofs or at least overwhelming evidence.
***Now, as to whether or not Quix is correct, who knows...not even Quix knows for sure.***
Therefore the claims are simply claims and do not amount to anything more.
***First, let me add that the experiences of abductees as reported still may not be real, but might be something that has occurred inside their brains (like a hallucination or vision). However, these people believe they have been abducted and that such aliens exist and their reports are quite consistent considering upwards of a million people have made and are continuing to make such claims.***
A million?
***As to the identity of the so-called aliens, it helps to analyzed their activities and character. Based on the reports of the abductees, they have been very consistently described as terrorist and rapists. They take people from the safety of their homes or from their cars while traveling without permission and subject them roughly to horrible treatment which for some strange reason seems to involve sex. They, in fact, sufficiently terrorize their subjects to such a degree that ALL those abducted exhibit signs of profound PTSD.***
However, if the abductions are real, it is still not proven, shown, or even indicated that the abductors are aliens.
***I tend to “think” Quix is correct about the alien/fallen angel “theory”.***
He may well be. But there is nothing to indicate it and therefore one must not fall into the trap of referring to such a theory as fact.
***As to “crazy people”, I would restate for purposes of clarity what I think is being suggested and that is this...is it possible that all this alien talk is hysterical and/or the product of chemical reactions within the brain? It is commonly known that dimethyltryptamine (DMT) and other psychotropic drugs have caused experiences similar in nature to alien abductions and DMT is found in trace amounts inside the human body. So, yes, it is “possible” that such experiences take place entirely within the brain, mind and/or even soul of the experiencer.***
Barring physical and/or electronic evidence, one must come to this conclusion.
I’m quite sure Jedidiah did come up with something he had no way of knowing...I saw that all the time when my family was so into the occult, mediums, “channelers” the UFO people and psychics I knew, they all could do things like that.
I had some personal experiences with Ouija boards, astral projection and telekinesis that were supernatural like that, but it sure the heck isn’t from God.
Ed
Another advertisement that you live in Alize’s rabbit hole on Pluto?
NO SWEAT.
LUB
No.
You have proven relentlessly that you’ll accept no proof whatsoever.
There’s been abundant proof posted on these threads for more than 10 years. Y’all will have none of it.
At this point, you don’t deserve the least shred of proof.
You deserve to be shocked, pummeled, turned upside down and inside out by the looming dramas and traumas.
Enjoy.
You prefer to jump tracks when it’s convenient.
I don’t.
I insist on following the data wherever it leads.
Y’all insist on having data all lined up in tidy rows and pretending that’s real.
Sheesh. What a farce.
What a super ignorant farce.
How could most of that clique know which end was up?
How could they know there was such a thing as daylight?
How could they know there WAS such a thing as proving there was night or day?
Their heads have been in a dark place since they were born.
Maybe they are cave dwellers in secret areas of carlsbad . . . and fondling slimey rocks is their only reality.
I don’t know how else to explain their cluelessness.
No sweat. Thx Thx.
I think that clique either cannot grasp your crucial points or is unwilling to admit them.
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