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To: briarbey b

Although I ‘want’ to believe in the pretrib rapture, I do believe all things point to us being here throughout the tribulation and will be with Christ right before he destroys the earth.


24 posted on 10/17/2009 11:05:09 AM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: spacejunkie01

The rapture teachers state Elijah and Enoch but fail to also note Daniel in the Lions Den and Shadrack and buddies in the furnace...there was a fourth man NOT put in there by the king. There is NO reason God’s people can not endure the fires of judgment..NO REASON..even with the destruction of the earth. Noah survived the flood..he never left the air of this earth. Why couldn’t God just lift Noah, family and animals up like this so called rapture..flood the earth, dry it up and set them back down? WHY do lukewarm believers, most look more like the world than the Church THINK they are better than all the saints that have died for the last 2000 years? Spoiled bunch..in for a rude awakening. :) Whether THEY believe it or not!!


28 posted on 10/17/2009 11:38:46 AM PDT by briarbey b (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: spacejunkie01
God Himself promises us that there will be a specific event during which He will take His Church off this earth and out of the time of judgment that He will rain on the earth:

I Thessalonians 4:14-18

14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

1 Corinthians 15:51-52

Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

The above New Testament quotations describe the Rapture of the Church. The blessed hope of the Christian is Christ taking him to Himself forever, as He promises in John 14:2,3, “In my father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”

The Olivet Discourse recorded in Matthew 24 and 25 gives us the certainty we are looking for. The disciples asked Jesus, “Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?” Here it is clear that it is about the end of the age that the disciples were asking about. The Tribulation, then, is that short period of time – seven years – that immediately precedes the “end of the world,” or age.

The Lord gave the general course of events in the world from His time to the end of this age. He enumerated a series of prophesied occurrences which have characterized the world. False teachers, wars, famines, pestilences, and earthquakes spoken of in Matt. 24:4-7 have been happening since our Savior uttered those words, only with increased intensities in the last century.

Persecutions described in verses 9-13, as applied to Christians, began almost immediately after the establishment of the Church on Pentecost. The fulfillment of this part of the Olivet Prophecy is well documented, , and will no doubt continue with increased severity in the near future. God said that Christians would suffer tribulations in this world- this is, after all, a fallen world with Satan as the "god" of this age (to paraphrase God). Nowhere in Scripture are Christians told that we will be rescued from Satan's evil during our time on this earth. We are promised, however, that those who know Christ as Savior will not be on earth to go through the judgments that God will rain on those who reject Him.

Also, know that the Bible tells us the the One Who restrains evil will be removed before the Antichrist is revealed. “For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth” – or restrains – “will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed” (2 Thess. 2:7, 8a). The restrainer of the Antichrist is the Holy Spirit. Nothing and nobody in the world can do the job of restraining Satan, who is the force behind the Antichrist. The Holy Spirit has been doing the work of a restrainer since the days of the apostle Paul. Only an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent Being can do that. When the Holy Spirit, in His capacity as the Restrainer, is “taken out of the way,” then the Antichrist will be free to reveal himself, for God will now allow it. Now, the “taking out of the way” of the Restrainer from the world scene is the same as saying that the Church is raptured – taken away from the earth – because the Holy Spirit works primarily through the Church in controlling the outbreak of apostasy in the professing Christendom and in the world.

When the Church is taken away, then the Great Apostasy will be complete and the Antichrist will reign supreme over the whole world.

God promises to deliver His children prior to the Tribulation by transporting them to heaven. Consider the following:


54 posted on 10/17/2009 2:43:38 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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