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Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 9/11/2009 | Kristen Rogers-iversen

[Elsie]

History: Orderville's utopia was nearly perfect -- for about a decade

[Elsie]

It's the children's fault.

[Elsie]

While posting this article I noticed...

	Mainline Protestant protestant	Anglican, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, UCC, etc.
	Orthodox Christian orthodox	Greek, Russian, Armenian, Antiochian etc.
	Other Christian other	7th Day Adventist, Churches of God, Messianic Christians, Unitarian, LDS, etc.
	Other non-Christian nonchristian	Baha'i, Zoroastrianism, animism, Wicca, etc.       I see that the LDS cabal has asserted itself on FR! The great folks who claim the Flds folks are not MORMON, want the label CHRISTIAN applied to them now.   Can you say HYPOCRISY??

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Yeah...

I clicked NON-Chrstian!

[Elsie]

Kids began to want store-bought clothes.

[ReleaseTheHounds]

And while the people of Orderville had no interest in accumulating wealth, Brigham Young was hiring out Morman labor for completing the transcontinental railroad.

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If it was so perfect it should have lasted more than a decade.

[Utah Binger]

An interesting aside regarding Long Valley which encompasses three or four small towns including Orderville, is that the halo effect and history of the "order" in the region lends a special spirit of "help your neighbor" that exists to this day.

The other interesting thing is the language. Being isolated from any major metro area and deriving language patterns from their progeny, the descendants of roughly ten families are still here. Their use of language and the speech patterns are certainly indicative of accents derived from Scandinavia and the British Isles. When speaking to the local native descendants of the original settlers, I find myself taking on the special accents and word patterns that they use.

Orderville Polygamous Chamberlain Family

Orderville/Glendale Women March for Prohibition 1917

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I find the comments on that article pretty interesting.

By "oh really":My what a nice piece of revisionist history. Under the threat of Blood Atonement, which in effect was a death sentence for apostasy, I'm sure most residents of Orderville considered dis-obedience with grave consequence. Blood atonement during the Mormon Reformation concerned the killing of "covenant breakers." The greatest covenant breakers were thought to be "apostates," who according to early Mormon doctrine would become sons of Perdition and for whom "there is no chance whatever for exaltation." (Brigham Young 1857) Nevertheless, Brigham Young believed that blood atonement would have at least some benefit. Young's first discussion of blood atonement in 1845 concerned a man who may have been considered an apostate in Nauvoo, Illinois (Smith 1845). On February 8, 1857, Young said, regarding apostates, that "if their blood had been spilled, it would have been better for them." (Young 1857) Young warned these apostates that although "[t]he wickedness and ignorance of the nations forbid this principle's being in full force, ...the time will come when the law of God will be in full force," (Young 1857) meaning that apostates would be subject to theocratic blood atonement. In August 1857, Heber C. Kimball echoed Young's statements about apostates, stating that "if men turn traitors to God and His servants, their blood will surely be shed, or else they will be damned, and that too according to their covenants." (Kimball 1857)

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[Elsie]

...who according to early Mormon doctrine would ...

Oh?

When was the 'doctrine' changed?

On who's authority?

What is it now?