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Thyatira, The Corrupt Church
Post Scripts ^ | 8/30/09 | One Vike

Posted on 08/30/2009 7:11:20 AM PDT by OneVike

Of the seven churches addressed by John, the fourth church, Thyatira, is the smallest yet it received the longest message. (Rev 2:18-29) This corrupt church was located 42 miles inland from the Aegean Sea in an alluvial plain between the Hermus and Calcius rivers . There were no natural geographical formations like steep mountains or deep rivers to provide it with a good base from which to defend its position. Its sole purpose was to act as the first line of defense in front of a hostile advancing army and to hinder their movement while the kingdom's main forces were mustered deeper behind the battlefront.

The history of thyatira consists of being controlled by the leading powers of the time, whether it was Alexander’s Greece, the Pergamon Kingdom, Antiochene empire, or the Roman Empire. Because it was so easily overrun, for most of it's history it remained a relatively small city compared to that of Ephesus and Pergamum. However, after Rome introduced Pax Romana, it settled into becoming a fairly peacefull city that boasted more trade guilds than in any other Asian city of its time. From excavated coins it is evident that guilds of carpenters, tent makers, bakers, bronze smiths, wool workers, potters, linen weavers, tanners and the famous dyers of purple were all active in the city. Lydia the seller of purple was from this city (Act 16:14). We do not know if this church was founded by Lydia or not, but it did grow in time to be a very wealthy church. Unfortunately it probably grew wealthy because of its members compromising their values by listening to the advice of a certain prophetess.

As in the rest of the Asian province, guilds, or trade unions, would often hold banquets for its members. These banquets included the eating of food offered to idols and the participation in immoral sexual acts. Coming to Christ meant the loss of their livelihood and financial resources for the Church if they abstained from the communal feasts. However, participation would be tantamount to renouncing the very faith they had come to accept, thus denying the One who suffered and died for them. A prophetess named Jezebel, managed to work out a theology that allowed them to compromise their faith in Christ with continued participation in the local trade unions, and that meant continued financial prosperity and material wealth.

In the Old Testament, Jezebel was the wife of King Ahab, who became a puppet in her hands for working all wickedness in the sight of Jehovah (1Kings 21:25). She established the Phoenician idolatry on a grand scale at her husband's court, maintaining at her table 450 prophets of Baal and 400 of Astarte (1Kings 16:31-32, 1Kings 18:19, 1Kings 18:13). Since that time, the name Jezebel has been known in history as the representative of all that is designing, crafty, malicious, revengeful, cruel, and immoral. We do not know if this prophetess’s real name was Jezebel or if Christ used the name as a description for the type of woman she was. What we do know is that this Jezebel was very influential in leading members of the church into immoral practices with the above mentioned guilds for various pagan gods.

When people deliberately reject the Lord's authority, He is no longer their God. The result is that they must find another god, for it is impossible for the human spirit to live without something to live for. That is the very root of what a god is. That which you worship and live for, that which makes living worthwhile to you, becomes your god. It could be the god of entertainment, like sports, video games, and television, or the god of sexual pleasure, the god of money and wealth, or even the god of ambition that one worships trying to attain fame and fortune. The point is, wherever or whatever you direct your strongest energy towards, that will become the place of greatest temptation in this regard. It would be wise to remember, that the beast you feed will be the one that grows the strongest in your life. In Thyatira, accept for a few faithful, the members of the church were more interested in keeping their jobs than following the true God's commandments. And so, their jobs and their status became their god, while Jezebel was the person Christ pointed to as the reason for their stumbling due to her actions and refusal to repent.

I gave her time to repent of her sexual immorality, and she did not repent. Indeed I will cast her into a sickbed, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of their deeds. I will kill her children with death, and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts. (Rev 2:21-23)

Because Jezebel did not repent of her evils, Christ warns of a certain punishment for her by using a strong Hebraic term that means to “kill” with a most sure and awful form of death. There is also a punishment for those who either commit sins with her, or are led into the same kind of lifestyle if they refuse to repent. As for the words “children” used in verse 23, there is a debate as to whether the words are to be taken literally or figuratively. The word itself could be interpreted either way and there is nothing in the context, nor in the original language, that can be correctly determined. I must also point out that there is precedence to show that other passages in the Scriptures have both literal and figurative meaning, a prime example would be these letters to the seven churches.

Now if the word “children” is to be taken literally, it is in accordance with what is often threatened in the Scriptures, that children shall be visited with calamity for the sin's of their parents. This is not to say that I believe in generational curses, but the very actions of parents do affect the lives of their children. Children of alcoholic or drug addicted parents would be an excellent example of this, because it is not uncommon for whole families to suffer from a parent's neglect due to their addictions. The other side of this debate comes from the understanding that the use of the word “children” is to be taken figuratively. Children would refer to those who have been so infected by Jezebel's doctrines that they would themselves be propagators of this false teaching that has so infected this church. An example would be the way false denominations have begun from the teachings of just a few, or even one misguided individual like the Mormon's Joseph Smith, or Arianism which denies the doctrine of the trinity, this heresy was first propagated by Arius in the 4th century. As for the reference of the word “death”, it alludes to a judgment so severe that it would serve as a stern warning to other churches to beware of such practices.

Prophetically, Thyatira represents the church age from about the 6th to the 16th century, a thousand years that I like to refer to as the "The Devil's Millennium”. It was a time when the church became corrupt by combining pagan rites and Christian teaching. Many heathen rituals were introduced into the churches that in time were accepted as being Biblical. These practices included the worshiping of images, the selling of indulgences to buy ones way out of hell, and various other practices of the priests which were unknown to the early church but gained approval during the devil's millennium. In time it became difficult to distinguish the clergy from the corrupt monarchs, as political power by religious authorities was widely sought. Like the church of Thyatira this age was truly corrupt and dark, as the Light did not burn very bright. Thus we have the term that aptly describes this time, at least the first 500 years or so, as the “Dark Ages”.

The range of praise regarding Thyatira’s spiritual status was perhaps the widest given to any of the seven churches, and it is also the only church that is said to have improved its spiritual condition. However, all the good works were being overshadowed by their inability to smell the stench coming from the practices of those who were corupting it from within. So while Christ did give praise for their love, faith, service, and perseverance, because they did not repent He eventually removed their lampstand. This was a warning Christ gave to the church of Ephesus if they did not return to their first love (Rev 2:5). Now all that remains of this once busy and wealthy church, is stone and dust to mark the place where it once existed. Christians must understand that we can either become corrupt like the Thyatirans or stand fast against the evils and temptations of the world. Ultimately though, the life we live in the world is but a proving ground, and we will be tested daily so that on judgement day we can stand before Christ and hear the words every Christian looks forward to, “Well done good and faithful servant, you may enter my rest”. For those of us who do overcome, we will have it accounted to us for righteousness and receive the Morning Star, Christ Himself. (Rev 22:16)

I pray that those who have ears to hear, will hear His voice and call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Amen


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; History; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: biblicalteaching; endtimes; revelation; sevenchurches
Because I am having some problems with the site I am contracted with to publish my work, I am posting the whole article this week as I did last week, instead of just an excerpt.

Not human problems, technical problems.

1 posted on 08/30/2009 7:11:22 AM PDT by OneVike
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To: OneVike

Good writing. Thanks.


2 posted on 08/30/2009 7:19:25 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: OneVike

Sounds like the ELCA!
Angry Lutheran speaking here!


3 posted on 08/30/2009 7:20:07 AM PDT by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: Alex Murphy; Hanna548; jblann1; SendShaqtoIraq; ChicagahAl; SandRat; mia; HiTech RedNeck; ...

In my ongoing series on the book of Revelation, here is the church of Thyatira.

Like many of today’s churches, the Thyatirans compromised with the world so much they became corrupt and it was not long after this letter was delivered that Christ removed their lampstand.

Look around or just turn on TBN and you can find the examples of which Christ spoke about.

Let me know if you want added or removed from my article ping list.

I must be off to church myself now, you all have a blessed day,
OV


4 posted on 08/30/2009 7:23:24 AM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

Nice article. Thank you.


5 posted on 08/30/2009 7:27:48 AM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: aliquando

Yes, another church that is failing to smell the stench from within. Now they are allowing practicing homosexuals to become ordained ministers.

I was raised in the Lutheran denomination, I had left it when I was in my early 20’s back in the “70”s, but I still have many relatives who are clueless and still attending.

I call them bechwarmers, because the only thing that seems to happen when they attend services is the bench gets a little warmer, but their brains have been disconnected years ago.


6 posted on 08/30/2009 7:34:18 AM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: aliquando

Double Dittos to that...


7 posted on 08/30/2009 7:39:54 AM PDT by tubebender
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To: OneVike

Excellent post!!


8 posted on 08/30/2009 8:03:13 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: aliquando

I submit that we all have a little of that in our hearts.

That is normal, for humans, to try to find a way to satisfy competing demands. To reject it is to reject humanity.

The corruption of the Catholic Church between 600 and 1600AD was because of the conflation of religion with government. The Anglican church was corrupt for the same reason afterwards. The Klan in the US south is an example of similar corruption in the US. It is the use of religion illogic by individuals backed up by the coercive power of government that leads to the worst corruption. Without government there is only the coercive power of an individual. When the any corruption tries to get bigger it emulates government.


9 posted on 08/30/2009 8:06:07 AM PDT by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: OneVike

Missouri Synod here. I’m ashamed for them and many will assume my church is part of this rebellion since people don’t discern b/t the different Lutheran sects.

In our local paper, they quoted a female Lutheran pastor who said it was about time they did this. I had met her years ago and thought she was a liberal wacko. I was right on.


10 posted on 08/30/2009 8:06:56 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Apple Blossom; theKid51

ping


11 posted on 08/30/2009 8:09:09 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Socialism is not a bad word. It is a bad concept.)
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To: OneVike

Thanks for the ping!


12 posted on 08/30/2009 8:38:40 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: bmwcyle

Excellent article, until the very end.

“Like the church of Thyatira this age was truly corrupt and dark, as the Light did not burn very bright. Thus we have the term that aptly describes this time, at least the first 500 years or so, as the “Dark Ages”.”

Why would any true Christian adopt the terminology of the atheist and manifestly anti-Christian Gibbon?

Secondly, adopting this approach manifestly ignores the church in Christendom, and is extremely offensive to Catholics. Why is it necessary for Protestants to cast aspersions on Catholic practice?


13 posted on 08/30/2009 8:43:39 AM PDT by BenKenobi
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To: OneVike

Bump


14 posted on 08/30/2009 8:43:48 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: OneVike
When people deliberately reject the Lord's authority, He is no longer their God. The result is that they must find another god, for it is impossible for the human spirit to live without something to live for. That is the very root of what a god is. That which you worship and live for, that which makes living worthwhile to you, becomes your god. It could be the god of entertainment, like sports, video games, and television, or the god of sexual pleasure, the god of money and wealth, or even the god of ambition that one worships trying to attain fame and fortune. The point is, wherever or whatever you direct your strongest energy towards, that will become the place of greatest temptation in this regard. It would be wise to remember, that the beast you feed will be the one that grows the strongest in your life.
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I like this part. I'm going to use it on my home page.
15 posted on 08/30/2009 10:38:25 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: BenKenobi

Where did I cast any aspersion upon Catholics? I did say that the age of the devils millennium was dark because of all the evil the church allowed into it. To deny that is too deny the facts. Why is it that Catholics refuse to admit the the one church that had complete control over Christendom during that era was not the Catholic church?

Am I supposed to believe it was another denomination than the Catholic denomination that controlled all that was Christian during those years? When Catholics admit that the church in control was the Catholic church and the reason things were corrupt was because they had a death grip upon the Christian church, then we will all be able to see eye to eye on a level plain.

Does that make Catholics evil, no. However it does make the leaders culpable. just as the case was with the Sadducees, Scribes, and Pharisees of Christs day. When we fail to reign in those who leads us astray we will inevitably become like Thyatira, corrupt.

And that my friend is what the Catholic church became, corrupt to its core. Why do you think God allowed for the reformation? He needed to clean house and get the people back on a course for salvation.

That salvation must be willingly accepted by the receiver, not forced upon them by a church that scares them into the pews. That is what the Catholic church had become, an entity that tried human fear to get souls, not the fear and love of an almighty God who gave His only begotten son. Remember He said whosoever believeth in him, not whosoever is afraid of the church will be saved.


16 posted on 08/30/2009 10:44:16 AM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: mamelukesabre

Thank you, I am honored. :>)


17 posted on 08/30/2009 10:45:42 AM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: BenKenobi

All the churches are falling apart. It is slow as more support homosexually and abortion continues in the church. Humanism is taking over. The days grow short.


18 posted on 08/30/2009 1:07:13 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Socialism is not a bad word. It is a bad concept.)
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To: Mrs. P

ping


19 posted on 08/30/2009 9:06:18 PM PDT by GILTN1stborn
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