Posted on 08/17/2009 9:10:31 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
You are the one stating that Paul meant ALL means ALL - unequivocally. Is that not what you stated?
Why would I attempt to prove that, since I have not claimed it?
To the contrary: he couldn't have become Man WITH a sinless Mother.
But He did, indicating quite strongly that your assertion is wrong.
I am not a Protestant who believes the Roman Church is the “whore of Babylon” or anthing like that. I do believe, that like any Church, it has beliefs and practices which need reformation and correction by the Holy Spirit. As it is now, anything which has much of a history in Rome (that the present curia recognizes...) cannot be changed—as it is by definition “holy tradition.” This was not how the early Church was run...and it is not how Churches should be managed today.
Oddly enough, I’m a part of some of the most traditional (and Roman Catholic appearing) Protestants, as I am conservative Anglican. I also firmly believe that holy scripture is not the Church’s sole authority....it is however the sole INFALLIBLE authority (and therefore all other authorities must submit to it)—as it is our direct link to the eyewitnesses to the resurrection, those designated by the Lord Jesus to establish His Church, that is the Apostles.
Hence, apostolic succession is most firmly shown in faithfulness to the full and final authority of the Apostles—as recorded in holy Scripture, and breathed out by the Holy Spirit.
What need has a healthy man of a doctor? ALL have sinned. (Heard that one before somewhere?)
Oh, please.
Her "special consideration" is directly tied to the irrefutable fact that a person -- even a Divine one -- with a fully human nature must (by definition) be brought into this world through a natural birth. Jesus Christ -- whose Divine existence as the Son of God meant that He existed for all of eternity outside the physical and temporal constraints of the natural world -- could only have one human mother. He could not have two mothers, He could not have 73 mothers, and He could not have come into this world with a litter of puppies.
That one human being who was selected to be His mother would certainly -- by her very nature -- occupy a very special (no, UNIQUE) place among all of the billions of people who have existed and who will exist.
Preventative medicine? Prophylaxis?
Only if you presume Mary sinless, indicating quite strongly that your presumption is wrong.
>>You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: “ ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. <<
Who are you talking about?
If you don’t get the reference, then you don’t understand the source well enough to continue the discussion.
Her doctrines (the Deposit of Faith) are already protected from error BY the Holy Spirit.
That's like saying "only a person who has crashed through a windshield would be aware he needed to wear a seat-belt"
Mary knew what had been done for her. She was aware of her own salvation.
Neither is the DNA of Mary, by the way. You can spend a billion years digging thousands of feet below the surface in every square inch of the Holy Land, and your odds of finding Mary's body in a tomb are no better than your odds of finding her Son's body in a tomb.
Hence, the doctrine of the Assumption.
I rest my case.
By that standard, since you do not understand the teaching of the Immaculate Conception, you are not equipped to continue the discussion.
Thank you for clarifying that.
We all have our opinions!
See, I can believe you, or I can believe the Church founded by Christ and protected from error by the Holy Spirit to this day.
Poor logic and it is adding to scripture what cannot be added since it delves into heresy. With God all things are possible, His revelation in scripture tells us precisely what we need for salvation. Not one word is written that speaks of ANYONE other than Christ, leading a sinless life. To say Mary was the second to do so is fundamentally wrong because it contradicts scripture.
Therefore God made Mary free of Original Sin so that she would be a suitable vessel, ark, portal, gateway for Him to enter humanity. God has used sinful man in myriad ways, He even used Pharoah to be His vessel. Do not put the Almight in a box that He cannot emerge from.
We regain it through Mary in the Body of her Son, Jesus. Pure heresy. Only Christ redeems. Grace is given by God alone, not Mary.
Mary's gifts and graces without first recognizing that she is the Mother of God Almighty.
But she is NOT the mother of God. She is the mother of Jesus, the man. God has no father, but Christ made Himself subject to the will of the Father.
Hbr 2:7-9 You made him a little lower than the angels; you crowned him with glory and honor and put everything under his feet." In putting everything under him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.
But she is NOT the mother of God. She is the mother of Jesus, the man.
Say, I believe we are in agreement on this.
I was simply addressing the DNA discussion.
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