You wrote:
“Are you being dense on purpose.”
I am not being dense at all. And again, you’re making this personal which I advise you not to do. Stick to the issues. Where is your evidence for the two bizarre statements you made?
“You are repeating the same questions I answered with links above.”
No, you are claiming you answered them with links when you have never answered them at all. The links don’t answer the questions at all. They don’t even remotely come close to offering evidence for what you claim.
Take, for instance, your first bizarre, and thus far, completely unsubstantiated, claim:
1) “This is laid the groundwork for the resentment that long simmered against the Latin church.”
Not a single link you posted addressed - at all - the idea that there was a 500 year long simmering resentment against the Catholic Church because of something that happened in the 9th century.
“The claim that they Moravians revolted against ROme in the 1400s in favor of Eastern Christianity is from Robert Keating Smith from the Anglican web site, etc, etc.”
That isn’t what Smith claimed. Here is EXACTLY what Smith wrote and it is exactly the two passages you highlighted that deal with the 15th century:
“The people sang themselves into religious fervor, and transformed the ancient Greek Church custom of singing Easter hymns, [5/6] into singing hymns the year round.”
That quote says absolutely nothing, and I mean it says NOTHING, about a 500 year long resentment going back to the 9th century. NOTHING.
“Not a Roman priest was to be found in Bohemia or Moravia, and only the capture of Constantinople by the Turks in 1453 prevented reunion with the Greek Church.”
That too says NOTHING about a 500 year long resentment going back to the 9th century. It also says NOTHING about Huss being Orthodox and he died almost 40 years BEFORE Constantinople fell to the Turks!!!
You highlighted exactly four passages from Smith. Please cut and paste the passage that talks about the supposed 500 year long resentment and explain to us all how it shows there was a 500 year long resentment. Can you do that? I really wish you would. I don’t think it’s going to happen. The ball is in your court. Let’s see if you utterly fail yet again.
“The claim that the Moravian Protestant church of today was once eastern Christian (aka Orthodox) comes from the Moravian’s own web site.”
And again, it doesn’t matter because it doesn’t prove this:
“This is laid the groundwork for the resentment that long simmered against the Latin church.”
nor this:
“Moravians fought to return to the ‘eastern Greek rite’.”
“Yes, I think you lied regarding your PhD. I don’t even think you cheated on yours like Martin Luther King did - I don’t think you have one outright at all. It is clear from even your questions to me you do not possess a doctorate.”
If you want to believe that you go right ahead. I have one, and am secure in that knowledge. I feel no need to prove it to you nor have I ever felt any compulsion about proving my accomplishments to anyone. See, I have no reason to think you have a PhD or much knowledge about history either. I don’t have to go on and on about it though. I just focus on the issues at hand and how you are failing to prove your baseless claims. You, however, apparently think your best tactic is to say I have no PhD degree after all. Guess what I lose in that? Nothing. You lose the argument, and I lose nothing. I can live with that. And the best part is, I still have a PhD.
“Let me know what university you went to and the title of your thesis. This will not reveal any private information like your real name, etc.”
Yeah, right. Telling someone the name of your dissertation (you keep mistakenly calling it a thesis even after correction) will tell that same person your name as well. It’s on the internet, Nikas. If the title is given, so is my name. That’s how it works. Also, these days, just about anyone who completes a PhD dissertation is required by their university to send a copy (nowadays in PDF format) to ProQuest - UMI Microfilms. That way scholars and libraries can buy copies, bound or unbound, for research. It’s actually kind of nifty because they let you buy a copy of your own dissertation in almost commercial book format at a one time discount price. What that means, however, is that, if you have a dissertation title, then you can discover the author’s name.
“In fact You could attach your thesis - deleting your name, etc and email it to me or freepmail it to me.”
Nope. 1) I see no reason to do that. I owe you nothing since you can’t even attempt to back up your claims, 2) I see no reason to share my personal info with people I have no trust in online, 3) I think it is just smarter for me to allow you to go on and on in your obvious attempts to avoid posting evidence that back up your claims. I benefit in this debate when you fail to post evidence because you keep making it personal about my degree. Win-win.
I repeatedly told you that when I wrote “This laid the groundwork for the resentment that long simmered against the Latin church." I was re-wording using my own words what the Moravian Protestant Church itself says on its website - see the lines highlighted.
http://www.moravian.org/history/
The name Moravian identifies the fact that this historic church had its origin in ancient Bohemia and Moravia in what is the present-day Czech Republic. In the mid-ninth century these countries converted to Christianity chiefly through the influence of two Greek Orthodox missionaries, Cyril and Methodius. They translated the Bible into the common language and introduced a national church ritual.
[OK, here it comes]
In the centuries that followed, Bohemia and Moravia gradually fell under the ecclesiastical jurisdiction of Rome, but some of the Czech people protested.
Now the Moravain words with my own so all can see. "This [gradually fell under the ecclesiastical jurisdiction of Rome] laid the groundwork for the resentment that long simmered against the Latin church [but some of the Czech people protested.]."
Here is what Robert Keating Smith then adds - I did not post all the words because that is what the link was for. Clearly you did not click the link to read it all.
By Robert Keating Smith
Greek, not Roman
German missionaries representing the Church of Rome, had, before that, tried to convert the Czechs in Bohemia, but even at that early date Czechs and Germans found themselves inexorably and permanently opposed. So in Bohemia and Moravia were established Greek rather than Roman rites and doctrines. The gift of the Roman mind is law and the duty of submission to authority, while the Greek mind offers to the world the freedom of the human soul; this is true even in the Christian Church. So the gift of the Church of Rome through German missionaries, the Czechs flung back, and turned with joy to spiritual liberty and living faith which the Eastern Church brought them.
John Hus [Here Robert Keating Smith is stating that the Moravians were PREDISPOSED to resisting Rome because of their eastern Christian origins]
No wonder that when the Reformation began in England and "The Morning Star of the Reformation," John Wycliffe, preached, another answered him from Bohemia--John Hus, preaching in the Bethlehem Chapel in Prague. It was as though once more the morning stars sang together and the sons of God shouted for joy! John Wycliffe died in peace in his own little parish, but John Hus was reserved for martyrdom. To his own amazement, and to the amazement of both England and Bohemia, John Hus was brought by German intrigue before a council summoned by the Pope at Constance, and that council declared Hus a heretic. Never was there a more infamous council nor a wickeder sentence. John [4/5] Hus was burned at the stake July 6, 1415. The authorities ordered his body burned and his ashes thrown into the river Rhine. Strange to relate, the same council condemned Wycliffe as a heretic (although he had been thirty years dead), and ordered his ashes cast into the river Avon. When the commission appointed to dig up the bones of Wycliffe, came to the little English village of Lutterworth and disturbed the graveyard of Saint Mary's Church, there must have come to the hearts of the plain English folk a bitter desire to be freed from such foreign desecration of their religion.