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US nuns worried by Vatican inquiry
BBC ^ | 8/9/2009 | Robert Pigott

Posted on 08/09/2009 11:43:32 AM PDT by markomalley

When the Vatican began an inquiry seven months ago into the "soundness" of American nuns, it adopted a discreet approach.

But as details have emerged about the investigation into the beliefs held by nuns - and of the way they worship - the disquiet and irritation felt in religious communities has started to spill into the public arena.

A working paper delivered recently by the Vatican to the leaders of American nuns was interpreted by many as a sign that the hierarchy in Rome is worried about a liberal drift among them.

The sisters are increasingly anxious about what that might mean.

Nuns once worked mainly in Roman Catholic schools and hospitals, but since the sweeping reforms of the Second Vatican Council in the late 1960s they have decided for themselves how best to do good in the world.

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But senior figures in the Vatican are concerned that as nuns respond to the changing needs of US society, some have become too liberal.

Recent guidance about the investigation - known as the "apostolic visitation" - reveals questions about whether nuns take part in daily mass, and "the soundness of doctrine held and taught" by them.

Traditionalists have long been concerned that some sisters might be flouting Church teaching on sensitive issues such as homosexuality and the ordination of women as priests.

The investigation will also ask for a description of "the process for responding to sisters who dissent publicly or privately from the authoritative teaching of the Church".

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; vatican; visitation
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To: Little Bill

Well, my church ordained women in 1752, so I suppose I’d take the blessing and be grateful for it.

But, there’s something seriously amiss with with RC female religious, as even brief contact with one of their spokespersons will reveal.


21 posted on 08/09/2009 1:41:48 PM PDT by Jim Noble (I hope Sarah will start a 2nd party soon)
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To: markomalley

Many orders of nuns, in my opinion, will be disbanded by the Vatican unless they return to orthodox views.

I think of the nuns who constantly speak out for the ordination of women in particular. You can see their obtuseness on Our Lady’s Warriors website under dissent.


22 posted on 08/09/2009 1:43:06 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: OriginalChristian

**She retired in MAY 09 from the position of Pastoral Associate at our parish.**

LOL! Was she asked to leave?


23 posted on 08/09/2009 1:46:47 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Jim Noble

My Church hasn’t and won’t, see Edicts of Savoy.


24 posted on 08/09/2009 1:47:55 PM PDT by Little Bill (Carol Che-Porter is a MOONBAT.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
back in the 50s and early 60s, I was schooled by Dominican sisters, in a Catholic parochial school.

They often talked about the sin of murder in connection with abortion...in 1960, they said how Kennedy would never approve a bill legalizing abortion, because he was Catholic....

the naivety of the times....they never realized that it would be Marxist legislating from the bench of the Supreme Court that legalized abortion....

anyway...the nuns were very anti-abortion back then

25 posted on 08/09/2009 1:54:33 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: markomalley

The traditional orders, the ones who keep to the Habit and contemplation are not likely worried by the Vatican’s inquiry. Those orders are growing. The Modernist orders, the ones whose members would worry about the investigation, are withering away. The sort of young women who might be attracted to them go instead into social work in government agencies where the pay is better. These things work themselves out over time.


26 posted on 08/09/2009 3:39:15 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: Vaquero
The Church ministers to illegals because it is in the business of saving souls, individual souls, regardless of the political ramifications.The Church has no business working against of for any political system or national system except where that system is inimical to the Church. The Church should include the wetbacks as it does any other Christians. The Church should not promote any government action or attitude for or against illegal immigration. The Church must treat the illegals on the same terms as it treats anyone else.
27 posted on 08/09/2009 3:48:11 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: theFIRMbss
tooo funny...
28 posted on 08/09/2009 4:09:33 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist -ww- I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Vaquero
while the Mexicans have by and large kept the faith.

Immigrants' beliefs can drift

29 posted on 08/09/2009 4:47:31 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: arthurus
The Church should not promote any government action or attitude for or against illegal immigration.

Wrong. Teaching people to obey both God's law and the law of man and thus render unto Caesar what is Caesar's is part of the Church's responsibility.

2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged, to the extent they are able, to welcome the foreigner in search of the security and the means of livelihood which he cannot find in his country of origin. Public authorities should see to it that the natural right is respected that places a guest under the protection of those who receive him.

Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.

The Church must treat the illegals on the same terms as it treats anyone else.

Sounds like a USCCB relativist talking point.

30 posted on 08/09/2009 4:56:34 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

The Church should deal with the individuals. The Church is not an enforcer for the government.


31 posted on 08/09/2009 5:07:29 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Nope. It is a religious viewpoint as opposed to a political viewpoint. I believe the government should crack down on illegal immigration and secure the border. Employers of illegals should see jail time, etc. I vote with that in mind.
The Church is in a different business. Should the Church in Rome of yore have turned the illegals in its congregations over to the Romans? They were breaking the law.
32 posted on 08/09/2009 5:13:40 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
2241 The more prosperous nations are obliged

This is definitely what the Church should not do.

33 posted on 08/09/2009 5:15:40 PM PDT by arthurus ("If you don't believe in shooting abortionists, don't shoot an abortionist." -Ann C.)
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To: arthurus

Those who promote same-sex unions, women priesthood, false ecumenism ect. have given themselves over to Satan.


34 posted on 08/09/2009 7:51:22 PM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

The USSCB is a lumbering ox of an organization.


35 posted on 08/09/2009 7:53:01 PM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: arthurus

The Church should not disregard what the government of Mexico, for instance, is NOT doing for its people. One reason why Mexico, despite its great wealth, is none the less “poor,” is because of a history of very bad government.


36 posted on 08/09/2009 10:13:23 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE HOMO!)
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