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Why won't Joel Osteen talk about sin and repentance? Has anyone ever heard him do so?

Posted on 08/01/2009 9:11:08 PM PDT by prasiolite

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To: Mr. Know It All

I grew up as and am a Catholic and I don’t believe I have ever been in a Catholic Church that does not have a cross prominently displayed. I thought that many Protestant churches do not display the cross?

Other than that, although Osteen is Christianity-lite, he does encourage those in attendance to read the Scripture. I’m sure there are many who do come to know Christ in that simple act alone. If Osteen led them to do that, then he deserves credit for doing so.


61 posted on 08/02/2009 12:01:56 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: antceecee

If Osteen leads people to Christ, he does deserve credit for that. I guess we’ll have to take it on faith that he does. :)


62 posted on 08/02/2009 12:05:35 AM PDT by Mr. Know It All
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To: Mr. Know It All

I knew of someone who opened the Bible and changed her life, the preacher who helped her to do that was someone just as questionable as Osteen.


63 posted on 08/02/2009 12:09:00 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Mr. Know It All
“LOL...don't say “d-——” either Markos33.”

Lightin’ up, Tex. LOL!

A “euphemistic remark to a bodily function”...let me guess who.

The...”ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ and if you are interpreting it, you really ought to be able to read it in the original language.”

Well, I'll somewhat agree there. But still, there are many who can read scripture in the original Greek, and still remain...lost.

64 posted on 08/02/2009 12:28:20 AM PDT by Semper Mark (Third World trickle up poverty, will lead to cascading Third World tyranny.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
The point being that prasiolite, named for a gem, does not have a posting history, and this is his first post and he goes straight to attacking Christian pastors...Wonder what religion he is ???

So? Besides parsiolite is a female who loves Jesus. Paranoia will destroya.

Is there a rule that a newbie can't post a vanity thread? Deal with the issue and don't make it personal.

65 posted on 08/02/2009 12:34:36 AM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: Frantzie

I don’t know that I’ve ever heard Osteen say anything about that Mercedes or BMW or whatever. I have, however, heard him try to apply the Gospel to our everyday lives — to be a success not only monetarily (or even necessarily monetarily), but in all aspects of our lives.

When I was growing up, religion consisted of a bunch of sayings with a few “thees” and “thous” thrown in. Really very hard to relate to it all. Osteen I think makes it all much clearer and practical for our everyday lives.

As far as the monetary gains Osteen has achieved, well, I think that just about every tv preacher has done the same. And I don’t think Osteen has ever held himself out to be perfect. Let’s face it — all of us and that includes tv and non-tv preachers — have sinned at one time or another in our lives. We are not perfect; we are not without sin. As far as I know, the only one who is sinless is God. We do our best; we strive to be good, but we’re not going to be 100% perfect. The point is to strive for goodness, and hopefully, when the time comes to meet our Maker, He will look over our record and decide that our good deeds and words outweigh the sins we have committed.

But...I have to also say that religion is a personal thing. You can follow Osteen or any of a number of preachers on tv, or the ones in your neighborhood, or don’t follow any of them. As long as we still have freedom of religion in this country (and we are in danger of losing that), we should follow whatever faith works for us in our daily and spiritual lives.


66 posted on 08/02/2009 1:21:59 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: T Minus Four

If all power belongs to God- and that those who obey are promised prosperity- then Osteen must be doing something that the Lord finds useful.

Osteen isn’t fire and brimstone, but isn’t there a saying in the Gospel about ‘those who are not against me are for me’.


67 posted on 08/02/2009 1:22:07 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (A woman will be the next President; I hope it's Palin instead of HRC.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Did you sign up yesterday just to post this vanity attack against a Christian pastor ???

A Christian pastor who never mentions "sin" is not preaching the gospel. IMHO Osteen is NOT a "Christian pastor." He is nothing more than a motivational speaker.

68 posted on 08/02/2009 1:36:29 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: prasiolite

Welcome to FR. You’ve posted what I’ve been thinking for a long time.

Don’t get discouraged by some of the responses.


69 posted on 08/02/2009 2:09:54 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: DC Ripper

You might be right.
It would be refreshing to see the[se] charismatic/enthusiastic preachers back up their messages, which SHOULD have real-life applications (but that is a baby-food vs. meat-and-potatoes issue moreso), with the scripture.

For example the death penalty (specifically for murderers), God endorses it right after the flood giving the rationale that “man was made in God’s image.”

That cannot be overstated in my opinion with regards to some issues, like abortion. We have to realize that this assumption is no longer axiomatic in disturbingly large segments of this society.


70 posted on 08/02/2009 5:29:23 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: prasiolite

Osteen’s approach is pure salesmanship—it doesn’t appeal to me but I have no problems with him drawing in some self absorbed yuppies and teaching them a little something about Christ. Whatever they learn can’t hurt.


72 posted on 08/02/2009 6:49:40 AM PDT by Burkean
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To: prasiolite

Joel Osteen is as fake as his smile. Rick Warren is as dirty as his goattee.


73 posted on 08/02/2009 6:53:16 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: prasiolite

He’s too busy smiling.


74 posted on 08/02/2009 7:09:23 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: OneWingedShark

Do not use potty language - or references to potty language - on the Religion Forum.


75 posted on 08/02/2009 7:33:40 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: prasiolite
I agree with the concept that the Christian Church should preach more about sin and repentance then it does. But my gut feeling is the reason why most of the cultural christian churches have gotten away from that is because they want to get away from being labeled as a works oriented church, A church that spends a lot of time preaching about specific sins while hardly mentioning any of the sin nature of man. It is the sin nature of man that we inherit from Adam that condemns us. While it is not surprising that ministries like Joel Osteen is not talking about sin and repentance it is even more shocking that many Christians that might condemn ministries like Joel Osteen for not talking about any sins, actually swing the pendulum the opposite direction by talking about specific sins and associating us with being a sinner with specific sins while not preaching about the sin that truly condemns us and that is the sin of Adam and his nature we inherited.
76 posted on 08/02/2009 9:04:24 AM PDT by ReformedBeckite
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To: prasiolite; Salvation
He mentions sin occasionally.

From my memory, John Osteen(Joel's father) became a preacher when he was 18 and had children. When his daughter was born with cerebral palsy, John went into an extended reflection on life, the Bible, and healing.

In this time he gained a new insight. He realized the Bible is a profoundly positive message, and that traditional teaching was focused too much on sin, guilt, etc...

He brought back the new message to his church, and the parish mostly hated it. He left and formed Lakewood, in the stockroom of a hardware store.

Joel is open that his theology is not perfect. But the positivity characteristic of his messages are to me, what the “good news” is of the Bible.

Personally, I attend Catholic church weekly, but also believe a more inspiring message would help swell our numbers in attendance. Our priest was removed last year for being found guilty of homosexual abuse when he was a teenager. IMO this entire mess lays at the feet of the Catholic Church.

In the end, the true message and power of the Bible is what we are after. Different perspectives on it grow my understanding. To get more specific, the fruit of the Holy Spirit is Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Gentleness, Faithfulness, and Self Discipline. It is not Love, sin, guilt, unworthiness...

77 posted on 08/02/2009 9:43:38 AM PDT by Vision (Obama is a jive turkey)
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To: Finalapproach29er
...those who obey are promised prosperity...

Where did you get this idea?

78 posted on 08/02/2009 10:24:21 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion is not health care and it's not a benefit)
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To: Finalapproach29er
..isn’t there a saying in the Gospel about ‘those who are not against me are for me’

Really? Is there?

79 posted on 08/02/2009 10:25:49 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Abortion is not health care and it's not a benefit)
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To: Vision

**Personally, I attend Catholic church weekly, but also believe a more inspiring message would help swell our numbers in attendance. **

I pray that you get a new pastor who fulfills your needs. We also need to be keenly aware that we are sinful, and thus must go to Confession frequently (if we don’t want to end up in hell or in Purgatory.)

PS. Hopefully you attend church on Holy Day Feasts of Obigation too.


80 posted on 08/02/2009 6:32:30 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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