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Who's Afraid of the Temple?
Manhigut Yehudit--The Jewish Leadership Movement ^ | 7/29/'09 | Moshe Feiglin

Posted on 07/29/2009 7:03:58 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator

I have a hard time with the Kinot (Tisha B'Av lamentations). In my opinion, the Kinot have become nothing more than lip service. We are actually in love with destruction. We have exchanged the essence of the Temple Mount for the Western Wall, the candy for the wrapper and the purpose of the lamentations for the lamentations, themselves. The longing for the Temple that kept us whole as a nation during 2000 years of exile and returned us to our land and our state, has somehow morphed into a horror show in the minds of too many Jews - both secular and religious.

The secular have been brainwashed to believe that the Temple - the source of world peace and stability - will create a world war. The religious think - rightfully - that the Temple will destroy their religion. In other words, the Temple will extricate Judaism from its narrow, religious, detached-from-reality framework and restore it to its original, all-encompassing stature. Judaism will then be part of every facet of life, from the most mundane and personal to the most sublime and universal. The religious are not enthusiastic about that. The Zionist Jews have become used to the separation between holy and mundane (the complete opposite of their declared ideology) and the ultra-Orthodox have become used to being detached from the mundane. Everybody is quite comfortable in their own shallow and murky ponds.

The Temple threatens everybody's world. It sanctifies everything. And due to the fears of the observant Jews, it still lies in destruction. Only because of the fears of the observant Jews.

This week, we ascended the Temple Mount and met some of the paratroopers who had liberated Jerusalem in the Six Day War. "It looks like you will have to re-capture the Temple Mount," I said to one of them. "We're ready and waiting for orders," the aging veteran answered with a smile.

With G-d's help, we will soon have authentic Jewish leadership that will issue those orders.

Moshe Feiglin


TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; History; Judaism; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: kinot; temple; thirdtemple; tishabav
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Please note: while I am by nature and inclination a "build the Temple now" guy (due to my Biblical sentimentalism), my nature and inclination do not determine Halakhah. I am posting this here for the interest and discussion of FReepers but it is ultimately the authentic Gedolei-HaDor to rule on these things, and it may very well be that the Temple can't be built until Mashiach comes and exterminates `Amaleq. Myself, I don't know.

Nevertheless, Mr. Feiglin is always interesting.

1 posted on 07/29/2009 7:03:58 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
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To: Alouette; TorahTrueJew; Nachum; rmlew; dervish; Yehuda; Yomin Postelnik; hlmencken3; Ancesthntr; ...

Ping. Please pass this along to whomever you think might be interested.


2 posted on 07/29/2009 7:06:25 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ('Ani hagever ra'ah `ani, beshevet `evrato!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

The article said — The Temple threatens everybody’s world. It sanctifies everything. And due to the fears of the observant Jews, it still lies in destruction. Only because of the fears of the observant Jews.

Of course, those who desire the Temple to be built have to content with those who happen to be in control of the Temple Mount and who also say that there never was a Jewish Temple there and it’s a *total fiction* by the Jews that there was one there.

Hey! That’s not my idea, but I’m just saying it’s *their idea* and they’ve put it out repeatedly....


3 posted on 07/29/2009 7:07:13 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
And here's the Temple Mount and three places where the former Jewish Temple could have been, and built again in those places. I think it's going to be built at Location A... :-)





4 posted on 07/29/2009 7:10:54 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

He’s right. Orthodox Judaism and secular Judaism seem to have both developed a overly sentimental approach to understanding G-d, that’s almost as bad for being detached from the world as the most romantic of Roman Catholics, or the most new-age peace-and-lovers of secularists and liberal Protestant sects. JMO.


5 posted on 07/29/2009 7:11:19 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Zionist Conspirator

The Temple Mount in Jerusalem
Where were the First and Second Jewish Temples Located?
http://templemount.org/

The Temple Institute (official site)
http://www.templeinstitute.org/

They’re getting *ready* at this place and have many things prepared for the Temple...


6 posted on 07/29/2009 7:13:23 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler


7 posted on 07/29/2009 7:19:29 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
It is said that the Messiah will enter here...


8 posted on 07/29/2009 7:25:11 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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Hey there, a nice picture of the Temple Mount...


9 posted on 07/29/2009 7:33:50 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator







The first picture made me cry when I was a little kid.
10 posted on 07/29/2009 7:55:39 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Star Traveler

memories.


11 posted on 07/29/2009 8:00:55 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Jewbacca

It seems like they have the cart before the horse. I don’t see the temple as “causing” a world war (although Jerusalem is a stumbling block)....it seems to me to be the “fuse” through which all that satanic hatred of the jews in channeled to ignite the final blast.

the antichrist will build the temple to placate and obtain his glory as a peacemaker then defile it in a very short time only to unleash his full fury on the jews and anyone who stands in his way.

i would love to be around to see the building of it.....amazing....but alas, i think christians will be gone.


12 posted on 07/29/2009 8:04:39 AM PDT by applpie
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To: applpie

“the antichrist will build the temple to placate and obtain his glory”

I am certainly no expert on Christian theology or prophecy, but it seems to me that the Mohammedian Shrine on the Temple Mount fits this bill pretty well, as does Mohammed himself.

You should read a translation of what is written on the side.


13 posted on 07/29/2009 8:11:33 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

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14 posted on 07/29/2009 9:00:43 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Zionist Conspirator

A lot of Jews give me the impression they don’t want the Temple to be rebuilt, for when that happens, it will make it much more difficult to deny the responsibility they will have to God. Indeed, it seems like some Jews, particularly the secular ones spend a lot of energy trying to deny that God even exists.


15 posted on 07/29/2009 9:04:09 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: theBuckwheat

The nasty bit about animal sacrifice is also an issue.

And some are of the opinion only the Messiah should build it.


16 posted on 07/29/2009 9:07:51 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Quix

Have you been there?


17 posted on 07/29/2009 9:25:30 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

It surely is!

Thanks ST...


18 posted on 07/29/2009 10:03:22 AM PDT by TaraP (Unless we stand for something, we will fall for everything.")
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19 posted on 07/29/2009 10:11:59 AM PDT by SJackson (the number-one job facing the middle class...a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S. Jobs)
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To: Jewbacca
My apologies for the chr*stian theology, Jewbacca, but you can't post anything about the Bet HaMiqdash without the Notzerim swarming all over it. Ironically and unfortunately, they're more interested in it than most Jews are. Of course, these are modern-day philo-Semitic Fundamentalist Biblicist Protestants. It's fortunate that classcial chr*stians don't come to these threads, because anything they would say would be really nasty!

The nasty bit about animal sacrifice is also an issue.

The obedience of HaShem's mitzvot is hardly a nasty business. Moreover (as you know) Jews pray for the reinauguration of these sacrifices three times a day.

And some are of the opinion only the Messiah should build it.

I'm not an expert, but it seems to me that there's a First Temple model (appoint a King who exterminates `Amaleq and then builds the Temple) and a Second Temple model (people just get to work on it). As I said, I am by nature and inclination drawn to the latter opinion, but my inclinations are not definitive in this matter. The Gedolim are the successors of Moses and their opinions are normative. Furthermore, I have discovered to my disappointment that many of the "Third Temple" groups aren't altogether kosher, and an un-kosher "Third Temple" would be a disaster (to put it mildly).

20 posted on 07/29/2009 10:17:03 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ('Ani hagever ra'ah `ani, beshevet `evrato!)
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