To: chesley
You are correct. my beliefs are orthodox. I can't make that last leap of logic to her being the mother of God, though.
There is no leap of logic --
1. you agree that she was the mother of Jesus Christ, correct?
2. You do agree that Jesus Christ is God, wholly God and wholly Man -- two natures complete and intertwined in the one person. Right?
Ergo, she was the mother of God - Jesus Christ, not the mother of God the Father, the other part of the Godhead.
Note -- that does NOT mean that she was the creator of God, that does NOT mean that she was anything but inferior to God, that does NOT mean that she was not a creature (created by God).
Finally, "But I don't need a meadiatrix between me and God, I already have Christ. Is He not sufficient? " --> The Church doesn't say that you have to pray to Mary -- we don't pray to her. We just respect her for his position as the vessel for Christ to come into the world. Christ IS sufficient, we just respect Mary as a mother figure. Remember -- The Church does not say go out and pray to Mary, don't pray to Christ. We ask Mary to pray FOR us...and we also pray to Christ --> I don't mind other people praying for me, so why not have Mary doing that too?
49 posted on
07/22/2009 5:16:22 AM PDT by
Cronos
(Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
To: Cronos
So Jesus was His Own Granpa?? I don’t like to be facetitious, but basically this is what it seems like to me.
I will agree that Mary is the Mother of the human aspect of Jesus, not of the God aspect. I don’t have the proper theological vocabulary at hand.
As for prayer, I ask living friends and family to pray for me, nor do I pray (much) for those who are dead. Their eternal fate is already sealed.
Asking Mary and the saints to do so looks like worship, feels like worship, and I think I hear a quack.
Besides, regardless of official Church doctrine, I lived in a 3rd world country. Many Catholics there DO pray to, and DO worship, Mary.
Further, nowhere is the NT is this practice mentioned or implied.
But, I could be wrong. I don’t think so; I doubt you can convince me, but one day we’ll know for sure. As brothers is Christ, we can thrash it out there.
52 posted on
07/22/2009 6:09:03 AM PDT by
chesley
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