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'It's a scandal'(Catholics demand explanation for PM pocketing communion wafer at LeBlanc funeral)
Telegraph Journal ^ | July 8, 2009

Posted on 07/09/2009 8:31:24 AM PDT by NYer

A senior New Brunswick Roman Catholic priest is demanding the Prime Minister's Office explain what happened to the sacramental communion wafer Stephen Harper was given at Roméo LeBlanc's funeral mass.

During communion at the solemn and dignified service held last Friday in Memramcook for the former governor general, the prime minister slipped the thin wafer that Catholics call "the host" into his jacket pocket.

In Catholic understanding, the host - once consecrated by a priest for the Eucharist - becomes the body and blood of Jesus Christ. It is crucial that the small wafer be consumed when it is received.

Monsignor Brian Henneberry, vicar general and chancellor in the Diocese of Saint John, wants to know whether the prime minister consumed the host and, if not, what happened to it.

If Harper accepted the host but did not consume it, "it's worse than a faux pas, it's a scandal from the Catholic point of view," he said.

Henneberry said a statement from the Prime Minister's Office is in order.

"If I were the prime minister, I would at least offer an explanation to say no offence was meant, and then (clarifying) what happened to the consecrated host is in order," he said. "I would hope the Prime Minister's Office would have enough respect for the Catholic Church and for faith in general to make clear whatever happened."

On Friday, during the mass, Harper reached out with his right hand and accepted the wafer from a priest.

A television camera lingered long enough to show New Brunswick Lt.-Gov. Herménégilde Chiasson, the next person to receive the host, raise his to his mouth.

But the tape shows that Harper does not consume the wafer before the camera cuts away several seconds later.

If Harper was unclear about what was appropriate during the funeral mass, said Henneberry, it "would say to me it's time to get new protocol people."

Harper and his senior spokespersons were en route to Italy on Tuesday for the G8 leaders' summit.

Harper will spend five days in Italy and on Saturday he has an audience with Pope Benedict.

Requests for comment left with Harper's media office were not immediately returned on Tuesday.

What Harper did or didn't do at the ceremony quietly raised questions at the ceremony in Memramcook Friday.

When Harper took the host, "everybody just paused and said, 'What did he do with it?'"‚" said one official who watched the pool feed with reporters who were not inside St. Thomas Church in Memramcook.

"You could see he was, 'Uh oh, I don't know what to do with this.'"‚"

The curiosity among Catholics has not gone unnoticed among Liberal insiders in Ottawa, either.

Henneberry said he has received a call on Harper's actions from a concerned Catholic, and he doubts that she is the only one puzzled and perturbed.

"She said she was very upset," he said, adding he had not seen the footage.

"She said, 'All weekend long it has been bothering me and I know I can't do something about it, but someone should.'

"She can't be the only one in this country that is thinking that."

Harper's religious affiliation raises a separate but related question about his accepting the host: As a Protestant, should he have politely declined it?

The fact it was a national event that was televised live likely complicated the situation for everyone - the priests and Harper, Henneberry said.

"If the prime minister is not a Catholic, he should not have been receiving communion and if he comes up it places the priest in an awkward position, especially at a national funeral because everyone is watching," he said.

But Rev. Arthur Bourgeois, who delivered the homily, did not have a problem with the prime minister accepting the host.

"Usually, to partake in holy communion in the Catholic Church, you have to be a member of it, but if you're not, exceptionally sometimes at major occasions (it is different)," Bourgeois said.

"If you are up there and giving holy communion you are not going to stop and asked everyone if they are Catholic or if they are not Catholic.

"You say the Lord provides."

Monsignor André Richard, who is Bishop of the Diocese of Moncton, gave Harper communion but said he didn't see what Harper did with the host.

"I didn't see anything wrong there "¦ because I was busy doing something else."

Bourgeois said it is acceptable to decline the host by simply folding one's hands, which signals the priest to bless the person.

Rev. James Weisgerber, president of the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops and archbishop of Winnipeg, said if Harper was not given good advice before the ceremony about what to do, it is a regrettable oversight.

"I would feel very sorry for the prime minister if he wasn't informed about what the procedure is," Weisgerber said. "I would find it terrible if we put him in an embarrassing situation.

"My concern is at a funeral of that level everyone knows what the protocol is."

Harper could have simply consumed the host shortly after he was off-camera; or he could have hesitated because he expected a priest would soon invite everyone to consume the host once everyone present had received it, as occurs in some Protestant churches.

His own faith tradition certainly does things differently, says an evangelical Christian journalist who specializes in religion and politics.

Lloyd Mackey's 2005 book The Pilgrimage of Stephen Harper traces Harper's political and faith journey.

Given his church background, Harper might not have known exactly what was expected of him as a Protestant at a Roman Catholic mass, Mackey suggested.

"I don't think by himself as a Protestant adherent he'd be aware of the nuances," said Mackey, who added there would be people in his inner circle who should have advised him.

For a number of years, in Calgary and in Ottawa, Harper has worshipped at churches within the Christian and Missionary Alliance, said Mackey.

Communion in Alliance churches is typically held once a month.

It would involve the seated congregation passing along wafers and, in small individual glasses, unfermented grape juice.

Harper grew up in a background with United Church of Canada and Presbyterian influences, but he was something of a skeptic until he was a young adult.

Mackey's book says Harper's journey to a committed personal faith was influenced by fellow politician Preston Manning, among others, and came after reading much-admired Christian apologists C.S. Lewis and Malcolm Muggeridge.

LeBlanc, 81, died in late June. He had been the country's first Acadian and Maritime governor general, and before that, a senator, MP and press secretary to two prime ministers.



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Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper (L) and Dominic LeBlanc visit the casket containing the remains of LeBlanc's father, Romeo LeBlanc, former Governor General of Canada, at the Memramcook Institute chapel before the funeral service in Memramcook, New Brunswick, July 3, 2009.
1 posted on 07/09/2009 8:31:24 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
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2 posted on 07/09/2009 8:31:52 AM PDT by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

So is the media actually siding with the Catholic Church in their blood lust to smear Harper?


3 posted on 07/09/2009 8:37:40 AM PDT by Catholic Canadian ( I love Stephen Harper!)
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To: NYer; lightman; Cletus.D.Yokel; bcsco
Since he is not a member of a church in fellowship with that congregation, Harper should not have a) gone up for Communion, or b) been given Communion. As a Lutheran pastor, I do not commune persons who are members of churches not in fellowship with my own.

Also, it is not just Roman Catholics who believe that the consecrated host is the true body of Christ. Lutherans likewise believe this biblical doctrine.

4 posted on 07/09/2009 8:41:41 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: NYer

This is stunning. PM Harper strikes me as a generally astute fellow. The fact that he can govern a country with such a large Catholic population and yet not realize the implications of this act is just unbelievable.


5 posted on 07/09/2009 8:42:47 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: NYer

He was gonna eat it later with a slice of cheese?


6 posted on 07/09/2009 8:42:48 AM PDT by uglybiker (Only bikers know why dogs stick their heads out of car winders!)
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To: NYer

Saving it for later in case he got hungry?


7 posted on 07/09/2009 8:44:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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To: NYer
But Rev. Arthur Bourgeois, who delivered the homily, did not have a problem with the prime minister accepting the host.

"Usually, to partake in holy communion in the Catholic Church, you have to be a member of it, but if you're not, exceptionally sometimes at major occasions (it is different)," Bourgeois said.

Huh? Usually?

8 posted on 07/09/2009 8:44:35 AM PDT by Andyman (The truth shall make you FReep.)
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To: Andyman
This priest is 100% wrong. The only loophole about non-Catholics receiving Communion is that Orthodox Christians in good standing with their churches who are literally unable to attend one of their own churches, and whose own churches wouldn't mind their receiving in a Catholic Church, may receive Communion. Given that Orthodox are even more hard-core than Catholics, this loophole almost never applies.
9 posted on 07/09/2009 8:49:51 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: Andyman
“Usually, to partake in holy communion in the Catholic Church, you have to be a member of it, but if you're not, exceptionally sometimes at major occasions (it is different),” Bourgeois said.

Questions for the Priest: Do you believe that the Eucharist (host is pre consecration) is the Body of Christ? Does the Prime Minister? Are you OK with Jesus Christ being treated like a subway token?

10 posted on 07/09/2009 8:53:06 AM PDT by Never on my watch (You are in the most danger when you are in the company of pacifists.)
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To: NYer

Uh oh? Will the Pope issue a Fatwah?


11 posted on 07/09/2009 8:59:25 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Democrats have nothing to fear but Palin being herself.)
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To: NYer

I think you are supposed to cross your arms and bow your head when reaching the priest if you are not Catholic - then the priest offers a blessing. Haven’t tried it myself.

I attended some church services a few times, while traveling, that had communion passed out, but it was not eaten until all were together seated with the wafer in palm. Is Harper’s church of that tradition?

I always just sit and skip the wafer bit, partly out of confusion over protocol, but mostly because my participation in that particular practice would be phony and thus, IMO, disrespectful. One time at a Catholic mass I attended, the guy in the aisle in front of mine likewise stayed seated with his very young children (all under 7-8) while the wife went up for communion; he took out chocolate mint cookies to pass around our area, which I thought was a riot.


12 posted on 07/09/2009 9:04:15 AM PDT by M203M4 (A rainbow-excreting government-cheese-pie-eating unicorn in every pot.)
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To: uglybiker

Must be watching his carbs.


13 posted on 07/09/2009 9:04:36 AM PDT by highnoon (A fool and his money are soon in Congress.)
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To: NYer

So why was he up there anyway if he’s not Catholic? What’s his denomination? Did he KNOW how this proceeds? And for that matter, why was he there; visiting, friends, etc.?

Was the priest aware that Harper was not Catholic?

Basic questions need basic answers.


14 posted on 07/09/2009 9:04:41 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (To view the FR@Alabama ping list, click on my profile!)
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To: NYer

If I am an EMHC (Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion) and have the Body of Christ, I watch constantly to see that the host if consumed. You can tell when people do not approach correctly or take the host from your hand. (Not OK to do,) The Body of Christ is always given and received, not taken.

I have even made the next person in line wait in case I needed to go after the erring person. I haven’t had to chase down anyone yet, but my priest and a friend have both related that they have, asking the person to consume the host in front of them immediately. In fact, my friend followed a car to its home and took the host from the offender and consumed it. (She had to wait a day until he was not home — he had inserted the host between Bible pages!


15 posted on 07/09/2009 9:09:26 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: M203M4

**I think you are supposed to cross your arms and bow your head when reaching the priest if you are not Catholic - then the priest offers a blessing. Haven’t tried it myself.**

I have, when for one week refused to give Communin on the tongue. I just would not receive it in my hands! (Swine flu scare)


16 posted on 07/09/2009 9:11:34 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Lutherans may believe that the “consecrated host” is the body of Christ. The reason being because the “priest” does
not have the power to change the bread and wine into the
body and blodd of Christ.


17 posted on 07/09/2009 9:28:53 AM PDT by Renatus
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To: NYer

If I recall correctly, Clinton presented himself for communion in a Latin Rite Church once. The priest gave him communion too. What is it with the Latins, Nyer?


18 posted on 07/09/2009 9:32:53 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

NOT good!


19 posted on 07/09/2009 9:34:00 AM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

What act? If you read the entire article, there is not a single person quoted who says he put the host in his pocket.

He simply had not partaken of it by the time the camera left him.

I would be surprised if he put it in his pocket. As the article says, as a protestant, he was probably thinking the priest would tell everybody to partake — that’s what our church does, hands out the bread and then we all take it together.

So it is reasonable that, once he noticed everybody else had partaken of their wafers, that he would do the same with his.

Yes, his advance men should have explained what he should do, as a “political matter”, but as a religious matter, I’m certain the Catholic Church has some level of understanding for what can happen when they have guests in their church that don’t know the protocol.

I know that in our Protestant church, we aren’t looking to publicly disgrace people who visit our church and don’t understand every last part of our ceremony and protocol.


20 posted on 07/09/2009 9:34:38 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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