Posted on 07/02/2009 7:38:52 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII
Representatives of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America and the Rabbinical Council of America met on June 25 with representatives of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) to discuss the recently released “Note on Ambiguities Contained in ‘Reflections on Covenant and Mission,’” which critiqued doctrinal deficiencies in a 2002 statement on Catholic-Jewish dialogue.
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“They can pound the sand “
And people wonder why Republicans are so often viewed as anti-semetic.
Maybe you should go post this on a Roman Catholic site.
If they don't they are totally niave.
And people wonder why Republicans are so often viewed as anti-semetic.
Since American Catholics are traditionally Democrats and Catholic FReepers have accused FR of making the Republican party seem anti-Protestant, that is a very strange observation to make.
Most Catholics scream bloody murder when a Protestant "witnesses" to them. Why? Do they not expect a Protestant to witness to the Protestant faith? They must be totally naive as well.
No, the alleged purpose of the dialog was to find common ground.
As it turns out, it (appears to be) the conference is a fraudulent attempt at proselyzation.
“All other religions are false”
I respectfully disagree, but it’s beside the point. The (alleged) purpose of the conference is to address the common ground, of which there is plenty.
“that is a very strange observation to make.”
Being told to “pound sound” is the issue..
It’s called Catholics who don’t know their faith.
The common ground is G*d.
Even when trying to find common ground a Christian is going to witness to another, especially a nonchristian.
What "common ground?" Judaism and Catholicism can't both be true. One side is going to have to admit it's wrong. Other than this there's nothing to talk about.
Of course, I suppose the Catholics might have led the Jews to believe it was a conference to discuss the mutual problem of Protestant missionaries! Don't you know Catholics don't proselytize? They depend on Irish people to reproduce sexually.
I have never had an issue when witnessing to a Catholic.
We both believe in the risen Jesus Christ as Messiah.
We have some small differences such as infant baptism, priests that are REQUIRED to be an intercessor to G*d, etc.
But the basic tenant is still the same.
“All other religions are false”
I respectfully disagree, but it’s beside the point.
You are wrong. I am currently studying The Divine Code by Rabbi Moshe Weiner--about as authoritative a work on the Noachide Laws as currently exists, at least in English--and all mankind is bound to accept the ultimate authority of the Torah of Moses and has been forbidden from that time forward to invent any new religions, rituals, religious holidays, etc. I am well aware of how the true teaching has been distorted over the centuries, especially since for most of that time Israel could not teach the Noachide Laws without risking the lives of entire communities. But "the pious of the nations" doesn't mean "all good people regardless of what they believe or which 'gxd' they worship." That's the Iranian religions (z*r*astrianism and bahai) that teach this.
Nothing is more frustrating than the reputation Judaism has acquired of being the Super Liberal Religion which objects to nothing but "intolerance."
Is there a certain time in the past when the Jealous G-d of Israel ceased to be jealous, in your opinion?
“What “common ground?””
Love the Lord your G-d with all your heart.
That’s a pretty good place to start.
From there:
There are social values that are shared, and a secular state that seeks to destroy what we stand for and corrupt our children.
We both have common enemies, domestic and abroad.
We have common economic interests.
Yes, there are real, significant, theological differences. But finish the above, and then come to the differences.
“Is there a certain time in the past when the Jealous G-d of Israel ceased to be jealous, in your opinion?”
I was unaware Christians did not worship the the G-d of Israel, in their fashion.
Maimondes has a different opinion than “Rabbi” Wiener regarding Christianity. I defer to the classics.
I simply don't understand the current fad of "religious dialogue." Why? What is there to talk about?
Are a few bureaucrats going to sign a paper and the next morning everyone wakes up members of a new, syncretistic, heretofore-unheard-of religion?
It is obvious that you and I have little to no common ground in theology, but I hope you share my utter incomprehension of all these "dialogues" that are going on. Other than to condemn people who take their religion too seriously (and thus won't join in any "dialogue"), what purpose do they serve? The whole thing stinks of religious liberalism, and no Orthodox rabbi worthy of the name should have anything to do with it!
The only thing I can figure out is that people have gotten it in their heads that if we really do believe all that old-fashioned stuff about only one religion being right we'll start killing each other. But in addition to being just plain stupid, that simply is not a valid reason to adulterate and water down the Commandments of G-d.
I have been both Protestant and Catholic, and that statement is nonsense.
Why SHOULD Republicans be more pro-semitic?
What have Jews done for the Conservative movement lately?
Or, should the GOP become more liberal and multicultural just to appease them?
RaMBa"M is one of Rabbi Weiner's main authorities, and it is he who ruled that shittuf ("partnering," as in trinitarianism or raising J*sus to equality with G-d) is idolatrous.
I certainly hope that most chr*stians intend to worship the True G-d, and the late Lubavitcher Rebbe (zt"l) I believe said that in our day non-Jews as well as Jews qualify as tiynoqot shenishbu. How G-d subjectively judges each soul is something known to Him alone, and I sincerely hope and pray that many, even most, non-Jews will enjoy the World to Come. But objectively, all other religions are forbidden and those who practice them are objectively guilty of idolatry, whatever their state subjectively.
And take my word for it, you don't want to dialogue with Catholics (I was one for six years). They're the world's most liberal religion.
So the basic tenant is not that Jesus Christ came to Earth, lived a sinless life, and sacrificed that life that we might be given salvation?
So, you have no trouble with people who insist the Bible is mythology, eh?
As for the "sacrifice," that is only the Anselmian theory. Annalex has listed three separate Catholic theories of the crucifixion, all of them perfectly orthodox, and the "dying for our sins" theory is only one of them (which the Eastern Orthodox reject altogether, btw).
As for me, I prefer to read my Bible from the front.
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