[Blogger]

You don’t answer squat. You make accusations and play word games. Roman Catholic=Catholic. RCC=Roman Catholic Church. You really didn’t need that because you knew full well what I was referring to unless you are dense, which I don’t believe you are.

Now, back to persecution, the question was “are you saying that Roman Catholicism was NOT the persecutor throughout most of history?” You say this is a loaded question with a false premise. How exactly is the premise false? It is a question.

In regards to Donatists, Montanists, Paulicians, Waldensians, Petrobrussians, Jews, Albigensians, Hussites etc., was the Roman Catholic institution, i.e., the “Catholic church” not responsible for persecuting and killing in heinous ways, for nearly 12 centuries?

I will even grant you that during the Protestant Reformation, the Protestants would often persecute Catholics and visa versa.

But the question is, what was the stance of the Catholic institution towards those who dissented from their point of view for most of Christian history?

[Petronski]

Roman Catholic=Catholic

No.

Sorry.

Some Catholics are from Rome, most are not.

[Petronski]

You say this is a loaded question with a false premise. How exactly is the premise false?

"...the persecutor throughout most of history..."

There was no one persecutor.

[Petronski]

...visa versa...

Latin for "the back of your credit card."

[Cronos]

In regards to Donatists, Montanists, Paulicians, Waldensians, Petrobrussians, Jews, Albigensians, Hussites etc., was the Roman Catholic institution, i.e., the “Catholic church” not responsible for persecuting and killing in heinous ways, for nearly 12 centuries?

The Donatists -- these guys basically said anyone who had recanted his faith under persecution from the Roman emperors (this was from around 300 AD) should not be accepted back into The Church no matter what. Do you agree with that point of view? The Donatists saw the Emperor as the devil. CONSTANTINE setn troops to deal with the DOnatists in Carthage. Ditto for Valentian I. So, The Church wasn't responsible for this, it was a political act against a group who did not want to forgive. Were the Emperors wrong? Perhaps -- the movement could have died out or it could have gone to the extreme saying anyone who sinned even once had to be drummed out of The Church

The Montanist movement dates from 135 to 177 AD. Montanus said that he received a series of direct revelations from the Holy Spirit and sometimes spoke in the first person as God. They believed that the prophecies of Montanus, Priscilla and Maxima superseded and fulfilled the doctrines proclaimed by the Apostles. They believed that Christians who fell from grace could not be redeemed.

Do you agree with these points? If not, what would have happened in the infant Church if this spread? Finally, there was no persecution of the people, rather steady denunciation of the false prophecies

Ditto for the others

[terycarl]

But the question is, what was the stance of the Catholic institution towards those who dissented from their point of view for most of Christian history

I'll try to make this as easy for you to understand as possible....you are the church, the only church, everybody who is Christian is a member of your church, you cannot imagine anything but your church, you are the protector of the church....there is nothing on earth as important as the church.....and someone comes along and challenges it. They try to tell people not to believe in your church, to believe what they say is the truth, they try to accuse you of being evil. They are attacking the church that you are sworn to defend against all challengers. What if it were your country rather than your church....marines, army, navy, nuclear weapons....hell yes! that's the way that Christians (Catholics) felt. By the way, most executions were sanctioned by the state, not the church as such.