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To: Cronos

When Scripture says “Believe and you may be baptized” it is implied. If you want to argue for infant faith, then you have a leg to stand on, or at least wobble on. The Scriptural examples though are not that of infants but of people who have explicitly placed their faith and trust in what Christ did on Calvary.


224 posted on 06/27/2009 4:07:32 PM PDT by Blogger
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“Believe and you may be baptized”

That doesn't imply that baptism will be denied to infants. It just says that you can be baptised if you believe. The Church initiates baptised adults into the Church via the act of Confirmation through which they learn about the Church and are members of this. Why did we go for infant baptism? Because of the question of infant deaths and the conundrums that opened. The Church deemed that baptism of infants was proper (The Church as a whole as the entire body of believers) with confirmation at the point when a person has reached sapience.

Note that in The Apostolic Church you need to be confirmed to be a member of The Church, to get married in Church, to become a priest etc.

THAT meets the issue you talk about -- namely, does The Church just consider Christians people without their consent or does it want you to voluntarily accept Christ -- the sacrament of Confirmation DOES that and answers the tricky question I referred to earlier.

There was a lot of debate (read St. Cyrian) about whether baptism forgives sins and if yes, then what about sins AFTER baptism?

Holy Baptism holds the first place among the sacraments, because it is the door of the spiritual life; for by it we are made members of Christ and incorporated with the Church. And since through the first man death entered into all, unless we be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, we can not enter into the kingdom of Heaven, as Truth Himself has told us.

The absolute necessity of this sacrament is often insisted on by the Fathers of the Church, especially when they speak of infant baptism. Thus St. Irenæus (Against Heresies 2.22): "Christ came to save all who are reborn through Him to God — infants, children, and youths" (infantes et parvulos et pueros). St. Augustine (On the Soul, Book III) says "If you wish to be a Catholic, do not believe, nor say, nor teach, that infants who die before baptism can obtain the remission of original sin." A still stronger passage from the same doctor (Epistle 28) reads:"Whoever says that even infants are vivified in Christ when they depart this life without the participation of His Sacrament (Baptism), both opposes the Apostolic preaching and condemns the whole Church which hastens to baptize infants, because it unhesitatingly believes that otherwise they can not possibly be vivified in Christ," St. Ambrose (II De Abraham., c. xi) speaking of the necessity of baptism, says:" No one is excepted, not the infant, not the one hindered by any necessity."

The Catholic Church, however, maintains absolutely that the law of Christ applies as well to infants as to adults. When the Redeemer declares (John 3) that it is necessary to be born again of water and the Holy Ghost in order to enter the Kingdom of God, His words may be justly understood to mean that He includes all who are capable of having a right to this kingdom. Now, He has asserted such a right even for those who are not adults, when He says (Matthew 19:14): "Suffer the little children, and forbid them not to come to me: for the kingdom of heaven is for such." It has been objected that this latter text does not refer to infants, inasmuch as Christ says "to come to me". In the parallel passage in St. Luke (18:15), however, the text reads: "And they brought unto him also infants, that he might touch them"; and then follow the words cited from St. Matthew. In the Greek text, the words brephe and prosepheron refer to infants in arms.

Moreover, St. Paul (Colossians 2) says that baptism in the New Law has taken the place of circumcision in the Old. It was especially to infants that the rite of circumcision was applied by Divine precept. If it be said that there is no example of the baptism of infants to be found in the Bible, we may answer that infants are included in such phrases as: "She was baptized and her household" (Acts 16:15); "Himself was baptized, and all his house immediately" (Acts 16:33); "I baptized the household of Stephanus" (1 Corinthians 1:16).

Theologians also call attention to the fact that as God sincerely wishes all men to be saved, He does not exclude infants, for whom baptism of either water or blood is the only means possible. The doctrines also of the universality of original sin and of the all-comprehending atonement of Christ are stated so plainly and absolutely in Scripture as to leave no solid reason for denying that infants are included as well as adults.

To the objection that baptism requires faith, theologians reply that adults must have faith, but infants receive habitual faith, which is infused into them in the sacrament of regeneration. As to actual faith, they believe on the faith of another; as St. Augustine (De Verb. Apost., xiv, xviii) beautifully says: "He believes by another, who has sinned by another." As to the obligation imposed by baptism, the infant is obliged to fulfill them in proportion to its age and capacity, as is the case with all laws. Christ, it is true, prescribed instruction and actual faith for adults as necessary for baptism (Matthew 28; Mark 16), but in His general law on the necessity of the sacrament (John 3) He makes absolutely no restriction as to the subject of baptism; and consequently while infants are included in the law, they can not be required to fulfill conditions that are utterly impossible at their age.

Where unbelievers came into the Church there are NT texts dealing with baptism that can be interpreted to include children and even infants. The use of the "household formula" St. Paul writes (50’s): "I baptized the household of Stephanus...," (1 Cor. 1: 16). In Acts where Lydia was Paul’s first convert in Europe it says: "She and her household was baptized," (Acts 16: 15). When the jailor in Philippi became a believer "he and his whole household were baptized," (Acts 16: 33). It is hard to believe that in these households there were no children below the age of moral accountability or no infants
358 posted on 06/28/2009 1:53:16 AM PDT by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delendae sunt + Jindal 2K12)
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