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To: bdeaner

Firstly, it should be remembered that our prayer is a dialogue with a real person,

I hate to say it, but Mary is not a “real person” anymore and cannot hear your words. Screaming, crying, “praying,” talking to her—these are all nonsense and not Biblically supported.

No where in Scripture is it shown that anyone “talked” to someone dead or may or may not be in Heaven, aside from Christ.


2 posted on 06/21/2009 11:42:25 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (The UN has never won a war, nor a conflict, but liberals want it to rule all militaries.)
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To: ConservativeMind
No where in Scripture is it shown that anyone “talked” to someone dead or may or may not be in Heaven, aside from Christ.

I'm sorry, but your statement is incorrect. Scripture clearly shows us that those in heaven are aware of the prayers of those of us on earth. For example, see Revelation 5:8, where John informs us that saints in heaven offer our prayers to God under the form of "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints." Obviously if the saints are in heaven offering our prayers to God, they are aware of our prayers. They are aware of our petitions and present them to God by interceding for us.

God bless.
5 posted on 06/21/2009 11:53:45 AM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: ConservativeMind

“No where in scripture is it shown that anyone talked to..”

Saul did have that chat with Samual the Prophet via necromancy..

The issue for me has been how much did the Mother Son cults in the Middle East influence the Roman Catholic prayers to Mary Mother of Christ?


7 posted on 06/21/2009 11:57:04 AM PDT by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: ConservativeMind

**I hate to say it, but Mary is not a “real person” anymore**

Yes, she was and ISa real person. What are you going to say to Christ at the moment of your particular judgment (the moment of your death) when He asks you why you didn’t honor his Mother and Mother of God?

I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes right then!


10 posted on 06/21/2009 12:22:20 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: ConservativeMind
You would do yourself well to read the Scripture passages listed in this thread.

The Early Church Fathers on Intercession of the Saints - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus

11 posted on 06/21/2009 12:24:23 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: ConservativeMind

You wrote:

“I hate to say it, but Mary is not a “real person” anymore and cannot hear your words.”

Your point is theologically impossible. Mary is in heaven. Even Protestants assume she is. If she is, and you have no reason to think she isn’t if you’re a Christian, then she is still very much a person. Our personhood is determined by the presence of a soul. That’s why when someone dies, we know that what is left is ONLY a body - a dead, empty shell. Your personhood resides with your soul.


26 posted on 06/21/2009 1:37:32 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: ConservativeMind

“I hate to say it, but Mary is not a “real person” anymore and cannot hear your words. “

Really? Why do you say that? Are you not Christian? Do you not believe in the Promise of Everlasting Life?


36 posted on 06/21/2009 5:00:17 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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