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To: vladimir998

You’re a hateful man, Vladimir.

Luther was a course man, in many ways “uncivilized.” But he was no fornicator. To say that he was is a classic approach that Libs take — if you can’t effectively trash the message, then trash the person who delivers it.


33 posted on 06/12/2009 9:42:43 AM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Theo

No, actually the first “Libs” of the modern era were the first Protestants.


36 posted on 06/12/2009 9:50:29 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Theo

You wrote:

“You’re a hateful man, Vladimir.”

No, I’m not. Wanting the truth of a thing said, does not make me hateful.

“Luther was a course man, in many ways “uncivilized.””

He was coarse, not course. And yes, he was in some ways uncivilized, and brutal.

“But he was no fornicator.”

He was many things. He violated his vows and encouraged others of doing so. He was a liar. He was something of a thief (he and his family moved into the local convent that had been seized by the government, for instance). He talked rather openly about his drinking and libidinous thoughts. Does that make him a fornicator? No. It does, however, make me think that those who lived in his own day and accused him of being a fornicator, may have been on to something.

“To say that he was is a classic approach that Libs take — if you can’t effectively trash the message, then trash the person who delivers it.”

No, what the liberals would have done is accuse someone (me) of having said something (Luther is a fornicator) when it was not actually said. I said the following: “If Luther were alive today, he would be shacked up. He may have shacked up with Katherine von Bora before they were married after all, and he saw nothing wrong with polygamy. If he were alive today, he would give full license to his libido.”

I never said he was a fornicator. I said he would be one today because that’s where his temperment and our culture has gone. The simple fact is that he himself talked about his lust and he was a hypocritical supporter of polygamy as his letter to the Duke of Hesse clearly shows.

And, if I am supposedly hateful for telling the truth about Luther, then how horrible must have Luther himself been to lie as he did and to spew venom on all those who dared to disagree with him? Did that thought even occur to you?


40 posted on 06/12/2009 10:23:56 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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