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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Ummmm . . . answering the call for a Greek reader here (can't call myself a scholar - only two years of Classical and Homeric in college).

tapeinwsis in my Liddell and Scott is translated as low estate, or spiritual abasement (that's a classical, not a koine, dictionary so it has no theological axe to grind). It appears to derive from the word for "short" as in "low stature". It has a secondary meaning of "low" as in mean or poor - as your grandmother might say, "Don't act like that, it's low!"

So I suppose if you really wanted to stretch a point you could get all the way to "vile", but that's doing violence to the Greek, especially in the context, since the Archangel has just addressed Mary as kecaritwmenh - "completely graced". The verb form is interesting and unique because it implies that this is a 'steady state' and has existed from all time.

It's also interesting if you look at a parallel Greek Testament (there are several on line, from Bible Colleges as well as scholarly sites) there is NO translation that goes for your interpretation of "vile" - all link together "servant" or "handmaiden" and "humility", including Young's Literal Translation - and Young was a Scotch Presbyterian and a Wee Free at that (and a notable scholar in both Hebrew and Greek).

Where did you get the interpretation of tapeinwsis as "vile"? Did you consult a dictionary? Did you read it in a scholarly work? Source, please.

24 posted on 06/12/2009 5:29:13 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

BUMP!


26 posted on 06/12/2009 6:13:46 AM PDT by frogjerk (C-NJ)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Thank you. I was aware that the interpretation was in error, but had no background proof.


27 posted on 06/12/2009 8:39:16 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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