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To: vladimir998
If you believe that then you’re out of touch with reality. Obama might not have been able to give his nonsensical speech, but NOTHING would have changed with OUR hierarchy. Those bishops who are orthodox and brave would have continued to be so. Those who are not, would have stayed away at all costs. It’s just that simple.

You've lost touch with reality. The Popes flock is the universe of Catholics and the most important place the Pope could have been on Sunday was in South Bend, Indiana. And if the Pope is not young and healthy enough to tend to his entire flock, then he should give way to somebody younger.

In case you hadn't noticed the secularists are winning and they will continue to win if the leadership of the Catholic Church continues to sit on the sidelines.

Now this is my opinion and I have no problem with you dissenting from it. I also have no problem getting nasty if that's the road you want to travel. Your choice.

38 posted on 05/19/2009 7:36:36 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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You wrote:

“You’ve lost touch with reality.”

No, see, a rational man - like myself - realizes an 83 year old man is not going to fly around the world after a major visit to the Holy Land (which was very important) to handle some other bishops’ problem that was only important for ONE country and ONE people - America and Americans.

“The Popes flock is the universe of Catholics and the most important place the Pope could have been on Sunday was in South Bend, Indiana.”

Oh, please! You are turning a bad moment for American Catholics into the greatest problem in the world? Get a life and come back to reality while you’re at it!

“And if the Pope is not young and healthy enough to tend to his entire flock, then he should give way to somebody younger.”

So, you’re the Holy Spirit now? Let God handle the time when this pope leaves office. When did John Paul II ever do what you’re suggesting? How about Paul VI? How about Pius XII? John XXIII? Pius XI? Pius X? Any pope ever in history?

“In case you hadn’t noticed the secularists are winning and they will continue to win if the leadership of the Catholic Church continues to sit on the sidelines.”

In case you haven’t noticed, the secularists won 500 years ago when they ripped Christendom apart and establsihed states that obviously were going to go secular no matter what because they were OUT OF THE CHURCH.

And guess which pope was able to stop that secularization? Right...none of them. Saints? Nope. They have all failed to change it too. Church councils? They all flopped too when it came to stopping or reversing secularization. God has chosen to allow secularism to continue and He may do so for quite sometime. That is the reality of it and only someone out of touch with reality would suggest that a pope’s trip to Notre Dame would change it.

“Now this is my opinion and I have no problem with you dissenting from it.”

Dissenting from it? Your opinion is not related to reality as it actually exists. There a simple way to show this. Tell mne the name of a pope who succeeded in reversing secularization in America in the last 100 years. Name a saint whose don’t it. Name a council that has succeeded in doing it.

Is that crickets’ chirping I hear? Yeah, I thought so. They all failed. And you failed. And I failed. And all the bishops - every last one of them - failed too. Convenient huh? No matter how hard all of them tried, they all met miserable failure. Total, complete FAILURE. God hasn’t decided to change things yet. It’s just that simple. Popes do not fly into Indiana to solve OUR problems.

“I also have no problem getting nasty if that’s the road you want to travel. Your choice.”

Oooooo, I’m so scared. You might get nasty!? How about getting logical? Threaten getting logical on me all you like. It seems far more unlikely than you being a worthy opponent by “getting nasty”.

Again, just so we both know who is right between us in this little fracas, riddle me this:

Name the pope who flew to the US - EVER - to solve OUR problems. EVER.

Name the saint who flew to the US - EVER - to solve OUR problems. EVER.

Name the council which EVER solved OUR problems in the US Church in the last century. EVER.

You’ll fail. Again. Just like OUR bishops. Again. Get used to it. Saints are made more by failure and soul searching rather than by unmitigated successes.

Like I said, get used to it.


42 posted on 05/19/2009 7:54:12 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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