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From the column: Should it really matter where these Saints are living, or what documentation they have? Immigration issues are, indeed, complex, and I won't attempt in this article to make a political argument.

(Ummm...I think Mr. Columnist, you already have!)

[Note, this publication is owned by the Lds church]

From the column: The arrest of an illegal immigrant coming home from his LDS mission in Ohio last month has sparked a fierce immigration debate in the Mormon community...Are undocumented immigrants violating the 12th Article of Faith by disobeying the law of the land? Is the church encouraging illegal immigrants by allowing them to serve missions?

Well, the very fact that he has put these comments in question form -- as if he didn't know the answer to them -- shows where he & the newspaper he represents stands. It's kind of like pro-abortion writers who say, "Whether or not to have an abortion is a tough decision." (Well, only those with a pre-disposition to kill are going to raise the dismembering of our offspring as a "choice").

From the column: Many members, including Garcia, are calling for church authorities to pick a side on this divisive issue. To me, it seems like they already have.

(I agree. They already have...and guess which side the Lds church has picked?)

1 posted on 05/08/2009 4:20:48 PM PDT by Colofornian
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said Michael Purdy, a church spokesman. “The blessings of the church are available to anyone who qualifies for membership and accepts the gospel of Jesus Christ.”
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But how would an illegal alien “qualify for membership” when he has brokem the law and is still living in an unlawful situation ???


2 posted on 05/08/2009 4:31:10 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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What a load. Send them all to Utah, as long as the LDS agrees to provide them with all the support and benefits the taxpayers are now providing, and get us off the hook. And send Senor Ohio back to Mexico. There is a thriving LDS community there.


4 posted on 05/08/2009 4:36:27 PM PDT by La Lydia
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“The church”

Its purpose is to perfect the Saints, proclaim the gospel and redeem the dead.
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“redeem the dead”

Yeah, we notice...

Mormons have “perfected” that part...

OTOH...

Christians have a commission from Jesus who came to redeem the living, by sheding His blood, and dying on the cross in our place, to preach the Gospel to the living so that they may believe and be saved or not believe and be damned..

Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mark 16:15, 16


6 posted on 05/08/2009 4:46:00 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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I've always said that this is the Achilles heal of the Republican Party. We can not pretend to be conservative, God fearing people, and turn around and show nothing but contempt for those who do desperate things to come here.

I don't think it's just the RINO that do us in, it's also the CINO's. We are dealing with individual human souls that have mouths to feed and are needy. Too many CINO's get ugly and hostile and it makes us all look bad. Especially to God.

7 posted on 05/08/2009 4:59:59 PM PDT by mgist (Thus in Psalm 103, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hear)
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Obey every ordinance of man?


12 posted on 05/08/2009 5:30:52 PM PDT by freedomfiter2
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So this Mother’s Day, I’m grateful for a mom who has her priorities in place.
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And my Mom and Dad taught me to Obey the Law!!!


14 posted on 05/08/2009 5:38:34 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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"...and guess which side the Lds church has picked?"

IMO, just like the unions and politicians....to get their money and to get their souls.
17 posted on 05/08/2009 5:55:50 PM PDT by Tainan (Where's my FOF Indicator?)
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A Christlike approach to immigration,

I, too, would take a 'christlike' approach to border invaders. By taking each one, when found, immediately to the border they crossed, insuring they go back home, and speak Christ's very words to them:

"Go; and sin no more."

Or, more likely, "Ve, y no peques más".

28 posted on 05/09/2009 3:57:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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"I remind you that no man who makes disparaging remarks concerning those of another race can consider himself a true disciple of Christ," President Hinckley once said.
 
"Houston: We have a problem."

 

"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.

 



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

  2 Nephi 5: 21    'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

  Alma 3: 6    'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'

 



 

August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



 1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."

 

 



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



 

Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)

 

 

 

29 posted on 05/09/2009 4:01:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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