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We condemn individual, flawed, interpretation that misleads others. Case in point -- Arius interpreted scripture to understand that Christ was a created being, a lesser god, a demiurge. That was "sola scriptura", not, as The Apostolic Church believes, learning as a community in Christ.

No, that was not Sola Scripture...The scripture doesn't say that nor can it be interpreted to mean that...

That guy had the same problem many people do...And it's not that he didn't understand what the scriptures said, he just chose not to believe it...

We do NOT in any was condemn using "scripture" -- that is a slur against the Christian Church and you ought to take that back.

Do you have any proof to back your incorrect statement?

Sure, no problem...

Post 64 by Kosta
That's just Paul making up a new religion for the Greeks and Romans. Jesus Christ never said anything like that in the Gospels.

Oooh, the author of the Hebrews says so? Why do you believe him, and oridnary man? You don't even know who he is!

Proof enough???

Finally, I asked you to differentiate between the soul and the spirit and the passage you gave likens "spirit" to the body, so your "trinity of man" falls to a duality of man.

OK, I'll try againg...They are different because they are spelled differently...

BODY
σῶμα
sōma

Soma, the body...Flesh...

SOUL
ψυχή
psuchē

Like psyche...Intellect, mind, aura, etc...

SPIRIT
πνεῦμα
pneuma

Pneuma...Like pneumatics, air, wind...

1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Perhaps the author could just as accurately have said, 'your whole spirit and spirit and body'??? Or 'your whole soul and soul and body'...

It's all in there...And it's not a matter of interpretation...It's a matter of (un)belief...

No, that was not Sola Scripture...The scripture doesn't say that nor can it be interpreted to mean that...

Sola Scriptura means that you as an individual, Mohammed as an Individual, Arius as an individual, can interpret things based on your own understanding. Arius interpreted scripture to understand that Christ was the firstborn of creation, that He was a created being. That was Arius' sola scriptura.

The problem that the "guy" had was sola scriptura -- individuals by themselves will err and misinterpret scripture, The Church as a community led by God, does not err. btw The Church means the entire community, not just the Magisterium

Your posts about what Kosta said are your interpretation, he said "Oooh, the author of the Hebrews says so? Why do you believe him, and oridnary man? You don't even know who he is!" to indicate that sola scriptura devotees seem to prefer the epistles to the gospels and the OT and also that they forget to look beyond the words and see that we do not worship the Bible, but that we worship God. by blindly looking at the words alone, we miss the forest that is God.

your trinity of man is flawed -- you say a separation of man into Body, Intellect (or soul) and Air????? you're interpreting things again

No, that was not Sola Scripture...The scripture doesn't say that nor can it be interpreted to mean that...

Actually, there is a lot in your "sola scripture" that suggests Arius was right. Jesus certainly says that he and the Father are one, but he never says they are equal. To the contrary! It is Jesus who is sent, it is he who is to do the will of the Father, it is he who is lesser than the Father, it is he who calls the Father his God, it is he who says only the Father knows the day of his return, etc.

Reading St. Paul doesn't help either. It is Paul who says there is but one God, the Father, and that it was this God the Father who raised Jesus. Not much equality there, is there?

And it was precisely the same Paul who, in Colossians 1:15 states that Christ is merely "an icon (image) of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creatures." At no time does Paul ever say Jesus is God. Paul calls "God" only the Father.

None of the disciples ever prayed to Jesus, but they—including Jesus—prayed to God.

So, one can see very easily where Arius, who was no dummy, and certainly a prominent Church personality, not a stranger to scripture, might have gotten his ideas.

That guy had the same problem many people do...And it's not that he didn't understand what the scriptures said, he just chose not to believe it...

To say something like this, to place Arius on the same level is to tell the whole world you know nothing about him. Just because the Church disagreed with him, and even condemned him, doesn't mean he was a theological pushover. The same can be said of Tertullian (to whom you owe the term Trinity), or Orgien who, at one time, was the master theologian of such Church giants as +Gregory of Nyssa, and others. Yet, they strayed into heresy, not because they "chose" to as you suggest but because they put their private reading and comprehension above that of the entire Church. It is ultimately very narcissistic and vain, and prideful and as such a terrible sin to make yourself "smarter" than the combined wisdom of the whole Church.

Obviously, there is a lot more to understanding the sciptures then just reading them! Maybe one day the Protestants will realize that too, along with Mohammedans and and their LDS cousins.

Cronos: We do NOT in any was condemn using "scripture" -- that is a slur against the Christian Church and you ought to take that back. Do you have any proof to back your incorrect statement?

Iscools Sure, no problem...Post 64 by Kosta [:] That's just Paul making up a new religion for the Greeks and Romans. Jesus Christ never said anything like that in the Gospels. Oooh, the author of the Hebrews says so? Why do you believe him, and ordinary man? You don't even know who he is!

First, last time I checked Kosta is not the Church. Kosta did not say "Christian Church says that Paul is just making up a new religion..." Kosta said it. It was his private statement, not the official doctrine of the Church. Second, you need to read up and become a little more familiar with what the Church believes before you shoot from the hip. Third, you didn't answer my question! What are you waiting for? Inspiration? A miracle?

Proof enough???

Do you even understand what "proof" means? What you posted says a lot but it does not prove that the Church "condemns using scripture!"

OK, I'll try againg...They are different because they are spelled differently...psuche...pneuma

But that's not completely honest, Iscool. Both also mean breath.

1Th 5:23...pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved...It's all in there...And it's not a matter of interpretation...It's a matter of (un)belief...

Well, then you must profess that there is but only one God, the Father (cf 1 Cor 8:6) because Paul says that too.