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What’s the Point of Creeds?
CERC ^ | 1988 | Peter Kreeft

Posted on 05/01/2009 10:31:49 PM PDT by Salvation

What’s the Point of Creeds?

PETER KREEFT

I remember vividly how deeply moved I was as a young Protestant to hear how one of the Catholic martyrs died...


Peter Kreeft

I remember vividly how deeply moved I was as a young Protestant to hear how one of the Catholic martyrs died: scratching in the sand with his own blood the words of the creed, “Credo ....”( “I believe”).

My heart was moved, but my head did not yet understand. What do these Catholics see in their creeds anyway? How can a set of words be worth dying for? Why have wars been fought over a word? What's the point of creeds?

Then I read Dorothy Sayers' little masterpiece Creed or Chaos?, and I was answered.

The question can be answered by remembering another question, the one Pilate asked Christ in another life-or-death situation: “What is truth?”

And that is the point of the creeds: truth. In fact, Primal Truth, the truth about God. That is why the words of the Creed are sacred words. Just as God's material houses are sacred, so are his verbal houses. Of course God is no more confined to words, even the sacred words of creeds, than he is confined to the sacred buildings of tent or temple, church or cathedral. But both are holy, set apart, sacred. “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain. “

Faith has two dimensions: the objective and the subjective. Creeds express these two dimensions: “I believe in God. “ There is an I, a believing subject, and there is God, the object of belief. There is the psychology of believing, which is something in us, and there is the theology of belief, which is the Truth believed. There is the eye, and there is the light. And woe to him who mistakes the one for the other.

When the Church formulated her creeds, humanity was more interested in the light than in the eye. God providentially arranged for the great creeds of the Church to be formulated in ages that cared passionately about objective truth. By modern standards, they ignored the subjective, psychological dimension of faith.

But we moderns fall into the opposite and far worse extreme: we are so interested in the subject that we often forget or even scorn the object. Psychology has become our new religion, as Paul Vitz and Kirk Kilpatrick have both so brilliantly shown.

Yet it's the object, not the subjective act, of faith that makes the creeds sacred. They are sacred because Truth is sacred, not because believing is sacred. Creeds do not say merely what we believe, but what is. Creeds wake us from our dreams and prejudices into objective reality. Creeds do not confine us in little cages, as the modern world thinks; creeds free us into the outdoors, into the real world where the winds of heaven whip around our heads.

What is the object, the Truth? Saint Thomas says that the primary object of faith is not words and statements but God himself. “We believe in God.” Further, as Christians we know God most fully in Christ, God incarnate, and as Catholics we know Christ through Holy Mother Church and her creeds.

When human reason raved, in the Arian heresy, that Christ could not possibly be both fully human and fully divine, Athanasius stood against the world; today we know Christ as he really is because of Athanasius and his creed.

When contemporary forms of the same heresy water down the strong meat” of Christ, the Church again braves the media, the mouth of the world, and calmly thunders the full truth about Christ. True, it is Christ rather than words that is the primary object of the Christian's faith, but what Christ? Here words are crucial.

Two extremes must be avoided: intellectualism and anti-intellectualism, worshipping the words and scorning the words. If the ancient mind tended to the former extreme, the modern mind certainly tends to the latter. Both errors are deadly.

Intellectualism misses the core of faith, both objectively and subjectively. Objectively, the core of faith is God, who is a Person, not a concept. Subjectively, the core of faith is the will, not the intellect. Though informed by the intellect, it is the will that freely chooses to believe.

Faith is not the relation between an intellect and an idea, but the relation between an I and a Thou. That is why faith makes the difference between heaven and hell. God does not send you to hell for flunking his theology exam but for willingly divorcing from him.

Anti-intellectualism also misses the core of faith, both objectively and subjectively. Objectively, because its faith has no object. It calls faith an experience (“the faith experience”) — a term never used by our Lord, Scripture, the creeds, or the popes. Modern people are constantly saying, “Have faith!” But faith in what or whom? They often mean “have faith in faith. “ But faith in faith in what?

Anti-intellectualism is a modern reaction against the modern narrowing of reason to scientific reason. When the ancients and medievals called man a “rational animal”, they did not mean a computerized camera mounted in an ape. They meant by “reason” understanding, wisdom, insight, and conscience as well as logical calculation.

Modern thinkers often forget this dimension of man and think only of reasoning (as in calculating) and feeling. And because they see that faith is not a matter of reasoning, they conclude that it must be a matter of feeling. Thus “I believe” comes to mean “I feel and creeds simply have no place. Faith becomes a “leap” in the dark instead of a leap in the light.

Many of the Church's greatest saints have been doctors of the Church, theologians, philosophers, intellectuals: Augustine, Anselm, Aquinas, Bonaventure. Anti-intellectuals like Tatian and Tertullian and Luther (who called reason “the devil's whore”) often die excommunicated, as heretics.

The Church — repeating what Saint Paul said in Romans 1: 19-20 — even teaches as a matter of faith that God's existence can be known by reason, independent of faith!

The Catholic ideal is the complete person, with a cool head and a warm heart, a hard head and a soft heart. The mere intellectual has a cool heart; the anti-intellectual has a hot head. The intellectual has a hard heart, the anti-intellectual has a soft head. The Church puts the severed parts in the right order because the Church has the blueprint: Christ (Eph 4:13). The Church has always had a conservative head and a liberal heart, and the world has never understood her, just as it never understood Christ.

Creeds are to the head what good works are to the heart: creeds express truth, the head's food, as good works express love, the heart's food. Both are sacred.

If there is any doubt about the need for creeds, it can be settled by fact: the fact that the Church established by Christ, the Church Christ promised to “guide into all truth”, has in fact formulated and taught creeds.

The first bishops, the apostles, formulated the Church's first, shortest, and most important creed, the Apostles' Creed. Whether the apostles literally wrote it, as tradition says, or whether it was written by their disciples to preserve the apostles' teaching, in either case it is the teaching of the apostles. When we recite this creed we speak in unison with them.

There is a strange notion abroad that creeds oppress, repress, or suppress people. That is like saying that light or food is repressive. The practical purpose of the creeds is truth, and truth is light and food for the soul.

Each of the Church's creeds was written in response to a heresy, to combat it not by force but by truth, as light combats darkness. Creeds are “truth in labeling”. Those who disbelieve in truth or scorn it, or who disbelieve in our ability to know it, see creeds as power plays.

The media's hysterical rhetoric about the pope's labeling Hans Kung's theology as non-Catholic theology is a good example of the world's utter confusion here. The media conjured up visions of the return of the Inquisition simply because the pope said, in effect, that Kung's teachings about Christ should not be confused with the Church's teachings about Christ. But this reaction should be expected if we remember the words of Christ himself (read Jn 3:17-21 prayerfully).

The most important creeds were those formulated by the Church's ecumenical (universal) councils in response to the most important heresies, the heresies about Christ; and of these the two most important were Chalcedon and Nicaea. (The Nicene Creed is the one we recite each Sunday at Mass.) The Church's most recent council, Vatican II, formulated no new creeds and no new doctrines but applied the old ones to new needs and situations.

The pope called an extraordinary synod of bishops in 1985 in part to clarify Catholic confusion concerning Vatican II. Anyone who would take the trouble to read the actual documents (which are much, much longer than creeds) would see how traditional they are. The “spirit of Vatican II” conjured by the media and some theologians is a phantom, a ghostlike half-person, with the fatal split between head and heart, creed and deed, theology and social action, love of God and love of man, eternal principles and updated applications.

But the pope is a bridge builder, a pontifex; he will patch what the world has torn. And the blueprint he will follow in doing this will be the historic, never-abandoned creeds of the Church of Christ.

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT

Kreeft, Peter. “What's the Point of Creeds?” Chapter 17 in Fundamentals of the Faith. (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 1988), 107-111.

Reprinted by permission of Ignatius Press. All rights reserved. Fundamentals of the Faith - ISBN 0-89870-202-X.



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To: kosta50

***I remember in our glorious thread getting into some heated discussions with a loyal Reformed. She got to where she was posting some almost anti Matthew posts. :) Not quite anti, really, but very very irritated against their content.

I can see why the Gospels can be a fly in their ointment.***

Not a fly; a serious and deadly contaminant.


161 posted on 05/07/2009 5:11:24 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
I just came off a telephone conversation with our permanent deacon’s wife regarding the USCCB and its variance from orthodoxy

What did she have to say?

162 posted on 05/07/2009 6:07:12 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: MarkBsnr
That’s not what the JWs say. :)

What do they say?

I have enquired further as to the beliefs of some of evangelical friends and coworkers, gently of course, and my previous posting to you about their understanding of the Trinity appears to be correct.

Surprisingly, the mainline Protestants maintain theological orthodoxy when it comes to the Holy Trinity (at least in theory) even though it is not to be found in "sola scriptura."

Rather, it seems, they accept the orthodox Trinitarian concept and then work their way backwards, searching the Bible for suitable verses and neglecting the preponderance of non-Trinitarian or even anti-Trinitarian verses that are all over the place.

That's the kind of "science" when you know what result you want and then devise experiments that will give you the desired result!

163 posted on 05/07/2009 6:13:53 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: kosta50

***What did she have to say?***

She was upset with their lack of anti abortion work, their support of the Catholics in politics, the lack of catechesis (she is an ardent religious education and RCIA teacher), the lack of understanding with the 60s generation as to what the Church really is, the Wiccan lesbian sojourning nuns and the actions of a rather nasty lavender mafia that existed in our diocese 15 years ago.

She is working for the good. The laity of which the Orthodox speak - she is one of them.


164 posted on 05/07/2009 6:21:58 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: kosta50

***That’s not what the JWs say. :)
What do they say? ***

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe in one God, the Creator of the universe and the God of the Hebrew and Christian scriptures. They stress the fact that God has revealed his personal name to humanity, which is Jehovah.

Jehovah’s Witnesses disagree with the mainstream Christian belief that Jesus was “fully God, fully man.” Witnesses teach that Jesus was not God, but rather God’s first creation. Jesus existed in pre-human form as God’s agent of creation and God’s chief spokesman (the Word), and took on human form as the man Jesus by means of a virgin birth.

The purpose of Jesus’ incarnation on earth was threefold in the view of Witnesses: (1) To teach the truth about God; (2) to provide a model of a perfect life for people to follow; and (3) to sacrifice his life to set humans free from sin and death. His crucifixion was not on a cross, but a single upright stake. After his death, God raised Jesus from the dead “as a spirit creature” and Jesus returned to his home in heaven. Jesus was not made King, however, until 1914.

In accordance with their rejection of the doctrine of the Trinity, Witnesses disagree with mainstream Christianity that the Holy Spirit is one of the three Persons in the Godhead. Instead, they believe the Holy Spirit to be “God’s active force.”

from http://www.religionfacts.com/jehovahs_witnesses/beliefs.htm

***Surprisingly, the mainline Protestants maintain theological orthodoxy when it comes to the Holy Trinity (at least in theory) even though it is not to be found in “sola scriptura.” ***

That is correct.

But the breakaways and the non denominationals which now make up the vast majority of Protestantism do not.


165 posted on 05/07/2009 6:25:15 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Not a fly; a serious and deadly contaminant

That's because their true "gospel" is St. Paul. Obviously, he was among the greatest of the Apostles, but for a radically different reason, both historically and ecclesiastically.

The Church could integrate St. Paul, despite some things he says (his Epistles, after all, are not considered on the same level as the Gospels), seamlessly by placing him higher than the Old Testament and lower than the Gospels.

The Prots who interpret the Scriptures literally can't do this precisely because there is a disconnect in some of the things St. Paul says.

And while the Church made subtle corrections (after all, no one was perfectly orthodox and fully in grasp of the whole faith; it took the Church over three hundred years to organize it into a theological whole), such as in the Creed where we say "and he rose on the third day, according to the Scriptures." Those are St. Paul's words, (as is much of the Creed) save for the he rose, which the Church inserted in place of St. Paul's "he was raised."

The very beginning of the Creed is also borrowed from St. Paul, but heavily altered. Yet, interestingly one of the most crucial things remained unaltered: the Creed calls "God" only the Father, as St. Paul did; the Son and the Spirit are referred to only as the Lords. I find that a little disturbing, given that the orthodox belief is that all three divine hypostases are one and the same God (in essence).

The Creed, of course, makes sure that the co-equality and co-eternity of the Holy Ttinity is made certain when they say that all three are worshiped and glorified, and I see that as an inelegant attempt to integrate some of the most non-Trinitarian statements of St. Paul into orthodox Triniatrianism.

166 posted on 05/07/2009 6:32:28 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: MarkBsnr
She is working for the good. The laity of which the Orthodox speak - she is one of them

Wow, she sounds like someone God-sent. I see a big revival of Orthodoxy in the Latin Church. With a truly Patristic Pope, may God grant him many years, people like him and this deacon's wife are the people who will make sure the Catholic Church comes out stronger and more Orthodox than ever since the Patristic times.

167 posted on 05/07/2009 6:36:54 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: MarkBsnr
Witnesses teach that Jesus was not God, but rather God’s first creation. Jesus existed in pre-human form as God’s agent of creation and God’s chief spokesman (the Word), and took on human form as the man Jesus by means of a virgin birth.

I hope you realize that they are getting this mostly from the New Testament, shocking as it may appear.

The purpose of Jesus’ incarnation on earth was threefold in the view of Witnesses: (1) To teach the truth about God; (2) to provide a model of a perfect life for people to follow; and (3) to sacrifice his life to set humans free from sin and death

All this is "sola scriputra" based New Testament reading.

Jesus was not made King, however, until 1914.

What an odd thing to say. Where did they get that from?

Witnesses disagree with mainstream Christianity that the Holy Spirit is one of the three Persons in the Godhead. Instead, they believe the Holy Spirit to be “God’s active force.”

That is straight form the Old Testament and the Judaic understanding of the Hebrew term. It was the St. Paul, among the first, and the Church later in his steps, who changed ancient Hebrew terminology such as the "son of God," the "son of Man" (son of Adam, ben adam or bar adam in Aramaic Hebrew), the "Spirit of God," the messiah (meshiyah), the anointed one (which was never divine), the Age to Come, etc.

If you look up old Hebrew meanings of these terms you realize that, in the creation of Christianity as a separate religion, these terms were borrowed from Hebrew and their meanings radically changed for a purpose.

But the breakaways and the non denominationals which now make up the vast majority of Protestantism do not.

Even the "mainstream" Protestants/Baptists seem to have their own individualized "ideas" of the Holy Trinity rather than a theologically agreed upon concept. Scratch the surface of many of the Protestant "mainstreamers" and you will be amazed what they think of the Holy Trinity. It doesn't even come close to anything orthodox. Rather it is closer to Donatist, Adoptionist and Arian heresies.

Of course, the various unitarian sects and cults, not to mention the LDS, are not even on the same page.

168 posted on 05/07/2009 6:52:08 PM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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To: kosta50

***Witnesses teach that Jesus was not God, but rather God’s first creation. Jesus existed in pre-human form as God’s agent of creation and God’s chief spokesman (the Word), and took on human form as the man Jesus by means of a virgin birth.
I hope you realize that they are getting this mostly from the New Testament, shocking as it may appear.***

All of the major heresies get their support from selected verses of Scripture.

***
Jesus was not made King, however, until 1914.

What an odd thing to say. Where did they get that from?***

There is much confusion, however, the best explanation that I got was from http://www.reachouttrust.org/articles/jw/jw1914-2.htm

“1914 and onwards

As was said at the start of this article, 1914 has been a critical date for the Watchtower Society. How did it arrive at the date 1914? Edmond Gruss [3] gives a brilliant assessment and is well worth reading. The following, from is how Trevor Willis explains it.

“One of the most important dates upon which the Watchtower Society build their own dating system is 607 BCE. This is the date that Pastor Russell originally claimed Jerusalem was destroyed. The Society has never changed their mind on the accuracy of this inherited date.” - Opening, p.93.

It is by counting from 607 BCE as the beginning of the Gentile times that they arrive at 1914. They calculate the reference in Daniel 4:16 of “seven times” to be seven lots of 360, the number of days in a Jewish year. This comes to 2,520 years. Counting from 607 BCE the date 1914 is arrived at. [607 BCE + 2,520 = 1914 CE]. However, if 607 BCE is inaccurate then 1914 and all that it stands for falls to the ground.

Trevor Willis lists six sources that all point to the fall of Jerusalem as taking place in 586 BCE, not 607 as the Society would have us believe [Opening, pp.93-94]. For a full investigation into this date see here. Another source that gives the orthodox Christian dating of the fall of Jerusalem is the New Bible Dictionary 2nd Ed:

“Nebuchadrezzar of Babylon captured Jerusalem in 597 and in 587 BC destroyed the city and Temple” - p.569.”

There we have it.

***Witnesses disagree with mainstream Christianity that the Holy Spirit is one of the three Persons in the Godhead. Instead, they believe the Holy Spirit to be “God’s active force.”

That is straight form the Old Testament and the Judaic understanding of the Hebrew term. It was the St. Paul, among the first, and the Church later in his steps, who changed ancient Hebrew terminology such as the “son of God,” the “son of Man” (son of Adam, ben adam or bar adam in Aramaic Hebrew), the “Spirit of God,” the messiah (meshiyah), the anointed one (which was never divine), the Age to Come, etc.

If you look up old Hebrew meanings of these terms you realize that, in the creation of Christianity as a separate religion, these terms were borrowed from Hebrew and their meanings radically changed for a purpose.***

Certainly. But those without a program cannot tell the players.

***But the breakaways and the non denominationals which now make up the vast majority of Protestantism do not.

Even the “mainstream” Protestants/Baptists seem to have their own individualized “ideas” of the Holy Trinity rather than a theologically agreed upon concept. Scratch the surface of many of the Protestant “mainstreamers” and you will be amazed what they think of the Holy Trinity. It doesn’t even come close to anything orthodox. Rather it is closer to Donatist, Adoptionist and Arian heresies.

Of course, the various unitarian sects and cults, not to mention the LDS, are not even on the same page.***

Nope. The heresies of the first millennium are being reinvented, repeated and built upon with every man being his own pope. Without the Church and the doctrine of the Fathers, we are doomed to irrelevance.


169 posted on 05/08/2009 5:53:59 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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