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"Christ did not die for the sins of the people": Head German Cath Bish Conf on TV (Catholic Caucus)
LifeSiteNews ^ | April 21, 2009 | Hilary White

Posted on 04/22/2009 9:56:12 AM PDT by NYer

FREIBURG, Germany April 21, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - According to the chairman of the Catholic bishops' conference of Germany, the death of Jesus Christ was not a redemptive act of God to liberate human beings from the bondage of sin and open the gates of heaven. The Archbishop of Freiburg, Robert Zollitsch, known for his liberal views, publicly denied the fundamental Christian dogma of the sacrificial nature of Christ's death in a recent interview with a German television station.

Zollitsch said that Christ "did not die for the sins of the people as if God had provided a sacrificial offering, like a scapegoat."

Instead, Jesus had offered only "solidarity" with the poor and suffering. Zollitsch said "that is this great perspective, this tremendous solidarity."

The interviewer asked, "You would now no longer describe it in such a way that God gave his own son, because we humans were so sinful? You would no longer describe it like this?"

Monsignor Zollitsch responded, "No."

Archbishop Robert Zollitsch was appointed to the See of Freiburg im Breisgau in 2003 under Pope John Paul II. He is he sitting Chairman of the German Episcopal Conference, to which he was elected in 2008 and is regarded as a "liberal" in the German episcopate.

In February 2008 he said that priestly celibacy should be voluntary and that it is not "theologically necessary." Zollitsch has also said he accepts homosexual civil unions by states, but is against same-sex "marriage."

He told Meinhard Schmidt-Degenhard, the program's host, that God gave "his own son in solidarity with us unto this last death agony to show: 'So much are you worth to me, I go with you, and I am totally with you in every situation'."

"He has become involved with me out of solidarity - from free will."

Christ, he said, had "taken up what I have been blamed for, including the evil that I have caused, and also to take it back into the world of God and hence to show me the way out of sin, guilt and from death to life."

However, Article 613 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the definitive work issued by the Church explaining the dogmas and doctrines of the Catholic religion, describes the death of Christ as "both the Paschal sacrifice that accomplishes the definitive redemption of men, through 'the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world', the sacrifice of the New Covenant, which restores man to communion with God by reconciling him to God through the 'blood of the covenant, which was poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins'."

The Catechism continues, "This sacrifice of Christ is unique; it completes and surpasses all other sacrifices. First, it is a gift from God the Father himself, for the Father handed his Son over to sinners in order to reconcile us with himself. At the same time it is the offering of the Son of God made man, who in freedom and love offered his life to his Father through the Holy Spirit in reparation for our disobedience."


To express concerns:

Congregation for Bishops
Giovanni Battista Re, Cardinal, Prefect
Palazzo della Congregazioni,
00193 Roma,
Piazza Pio XII, 10
Phone: 06.69.88.42.17
Fax: 06.69.88.53.03

Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
William Joseph Levada, Cardinal, Prefect
Piazza del S. Uffizio,
 11, 00193
Roma, Italy
Phone: 06.69.88.33.57; 06.69.88.34.13
Fax: 06.69.88.34.09


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; germany; heretic; liberalpriest; religiousleft; robertzollitsch
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1 posted on 04/22/2009 9:56:13 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
THIS IS A CATHOLIC CAUCUS THREAD
2 posted on 04/22/2009 9:56:56 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer
Me thinks he needs to go back and re-read the Catechism one more time.
3 posted on 04/22/2009 9:58:47 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: NYer
Zollitsch said that Christ "did not die for the sins of the people as if God had provided a sacrificial offering, like a scapegoat."

Instead, Jesus had offered only "solidarity" with the poor and suffering. Zollitsch said "that is this great perspective, this tremendous solidarity."

The interviewer asked, "You would now no longer describe it in such a way that God gave his own son, because we humans were so sinful? You would no longer describe it like this?"

Monsignor Zollitsch responded, "No."
GERMAN LIBERATION THEOLOGY

Sounds a lot like Obama's BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY

4 posted on 04/22/2009 9:59:46 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: NYer

Something tells me that he’ll be getting a call from the Pope on this one.


5 posted on 04/22/2009 10:00:54 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: NYer
...is regarded as a "liberal" in the German episcopate.

Well, that's mildly encouraging news about the German episcopate.

6 posted on 04/22/2009 10:01:21 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: NYer

And the authority for this proclamation comes from where?


7 posted on 04/22/2009 10:01:42 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: NYer

Me thinks he never read the bible.

Can he be excommunicated for this?


8 posted on 04/22/2009 10:01:44 AM PDT by benjibrowder (I keep praying for hope and change, but I open my eyes and Obama is still President.)
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To: vladimir998
Something tells me that he’ll be getting a call from the Pope on this one.

I hope there is someone in the Vatican who speaks German.

9 posted on 04/22/2009 10:01:53 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler ("Mr. President, I support you but not your mission. I'm showing my patriotism through dissent.")
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To: Northern Yankee

The Baltimore Catechism which at one time was required to be memorized, explained and essays written.

Alas, you take that away and you get heretics like this nut job. Soory, but whatever title he may have, he is NOT Catholic.


10 posted on 04/22/2009 10:02:18 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: Northern Yankee
Me thinks he needs to go back and re-read the Catechism one more time.

Objection: assuming facts not in evidence: "...one more..."

11 posted on 04/22/2009 10:02:32 AM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: NYer

Hmmm, I think I’ll take God’s word on Christs purpose over the good Arch-Bishops. I think he needs to go look up the word propitiation.

It really is sad that entire churches have pastors, preachers, priests, deacons, what have you that are leading them this far astray.


12 posted on 04/22/2009 10:04:02 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Jeff Chandler

LOL! Do you think Joe Ratzinger has forgotten already?


13 posted on 04/22/2009 10:05:18 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Petronski; NTHockey
LOL...

I spend time going over much of the Catechism with my 8th grade students, as well as the writings of St. Thomas Acquinas.

Maybe he'd like to sit in on our classes. ; )

14 posted on 04/22/2009 10:05:58 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: NYer

” Zollitsch, known for his liberal views?”

“liberal?”

Since when is a lie considered a “liberal view?”

Oh, excuse me, I forgot we’re living in a Leftist world.


15 posted on 04/22/2009 10:05:59 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Turbo Pig

The bible warns us that there will be evil men even in the church who will pervert his words. I’d think this is a shinning example of that.


16 posted on 04/22/2009 10:06:37 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: NYer
Zollitsch said that Christ "did not die for the sins of the people as if God had provided a sacrificial offering, like a scapegoat."

This is correct, if you take it that he was referring to ALL The PEOPLE - or ALL MANKIND. If one does, one must believe that ALL MANKIND is saved, because the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ from the cross, SAVES ABSOLUTELY and ASSUREDLY; IT NEVER FAILS.

When Monsignor Zollitsch said that Christ "did not die for the sins of the people as if God had provided a sacrificial offering, like a scapegoat."

If you take this as "His people" rather than "the people" then He is utterly in the wrong. And from his other comments, my belief is that he has repudiated his faith and should undergo church discipline; most definitely a removal from his position.

17 posted on 04/22/2009 10:07:18 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: NYer

an Archbishop who does not know a basic Church teaching that we learned from our parents and Sister Helen Ann in grade school. Pathetic.


18 posted on 04/22/2009 10:07:21 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Paging our Holy Father. Check out the situation in your Homeland. Ready, Aim, FIRE!!!!!!


20 posted on 04/22/2009 10:13:00 AM PDT by wombtotomb
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