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To: NYer
Zollitsch said that Christ "did not die for the sins of the people as if God had provided a sacrificial offering, like a scapegoat."

This is correct, if you take it that he was referring to ALL The PEOPLE - or ALL MANKIND. If one does, one must believe that ALL MANKIND is saved, because the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ from the cross, SAVES ABSOLUTELY and ASSUREDLY; IT NEVER FAILS.

When Monsignor Zollitsch said that Christ "did not die for the sins of the people as if God had provided a sacrificial offering, like a scapegoat."

If you take this as "His people" rather than "the people" then He is utterly in the wrong. And from his other comments, my belief is that he has repudiated his faith and should undergo church discipline; most definitely a removal from his position.

17 posted on 04/22/2009 10:07:18 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: sr4402

It appears he is taking the second position:

Zollitsch said that Christ “did not die for the sins of the people as if God had provided a sacrificial offering, like a scapegoat.”

Instead, Jesus had offered only “solidarity” with the poor and suffering. Zollitsch said “that is this great perspective, this tremendous solidarity.”

The interviewer asked, “You would now no longer describe it in such a way that God gave his own son, because we humans were so sinful? You would no longer describe it like this?”


24 posted on 04/22/2009 10:19:45 AM PDT by reaganaut ( "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: sr4402
This is correct, if you take it that he was referring to ALL The PEOPLE - or ALL MANKIND. If one does, one must believe that ALL MANKIND is saved, because the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ from the cross, SAVES ABSOLUTELY and ASSUREDLY; IT NEVER FAILS.

That's Calvinism or Jansenism, not Catholicism. If you follow it to its logical conclusion, you must embrace double predestination -- that those who are damned are damned because God positively wills and chooses it. (Unless of course you want to be a Universalist.)

St. Paul says this is flatly wrong when he teaches that the "wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is life on high in Christ Jesus". Damnation is earned; salvation is free. Double predestination makes both damnation and salvation "free," the only question is to which group God has assigned you.

Catholic dogma teaches that (a) all men are given grace sufficient to save their souls; (b) those who are reprobate earn their reprobation by resisting that grace; and (c) their resistance is of such severity that God sovereignly chooses to respect their decision to pursue evil rather than to overcome it. (Of course God has foreseen all of this from the foundation of the universe.)

Therefore the atonement is efficacious for all men, but effective only for the elect.

If Bishop Zollitsch is being quoted accurately, his teaching is not even compatible with the Nicene Creed he proclaims at Mass, which describes Jesus as "the only-begotten Son of the Father," "who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven ... was made man ... suffered under Pontius Pilate ... and was buried".

26 posted on 04/22/2009 10:22:26 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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