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Science and faith: the conflict
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | 12:12PM GMT 16 Mar 2009 | Richard Gray

Posted on 04/04/2009 11:41:33 AM PDT by Cvengr

Brain-scanning experiments carried out by scientists last week revealed that religious faith is embedded deep within key parts of the brain. This suggests that belief in a higher power evolved at some early point in human history.

Scientists argued that it explained the widespread nature of religion among human cultures, but the findings also highlighted a growing tendency for science to be used as a way of attacking religion.

It comes at a time when the gulf between science and religion could not seem any wider.

...The mounting debate over evolution and creationism has now left many people asking whether science and religion can ever coexist, or even if scientific research will eventually bring an end to religious belief entirely. ...

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Science; Theology
KEYWORDS: faith; genome; science
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To: Ira_Louvin

...and if you have no peers other than God, of what use is science?


21 posted on 04/04/2009 3:29:52 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Ira_Louvin
"Yes it is, and that is a very good thing."

Nothing to fear, or mistrust scientific advancements helps make this a better world for all of us.

It would be very detrimental if science was unchanging, and stagnate.

Do you not agree?"

No! I sure don't agree! There "is" something to fear when there is political motivation or monetary motivation driving some of the outcomes. I'd be a fool not to mistrust and take everything that is presented before me with a great big grain of salt. And I'm no fool.

Science is only as honest and trustworthy as those who present it to us.

22 posted on 04/04/2009 3:38:33 PM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.last.fm/music/Gloria+Jane/_/Baseball+Apple+Pie+And+Mom)
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To: GloriaJane

And what examples do you have for the political, or monetary motivation?

That is why there is peer-review, that process will weed out any ulterior motives.

If you do not have the evidence to back up your hypothesis then it will not make it thru the peer-review process.


23 posted on 04/04/2009 5:25:27 PM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: Cvengr

So you are saying that science has been of no use to mankind?


24 posted on 04/04/2009 5:26:34 PM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: Ira_Louvin

Nothing of the sort. Science has provided considerable good. But it’s good has already been played. It isn’t eternal.


25 posted on 04/04/2009 8:48:57 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

So there are no more scientific advances left to me made?

The advances in DNA do not continue to benefit us in the apprehension of criminals?

The updating of vaccines, and antibiotics are of no benefit?


26 posted on 04/05/2009 12:01:20 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: Ira_Louvin
So there are no more scientific advances left to me made?

Probably are.

The advances in DNA do not continue to benefit us in the apprehension of criminals?

Minimally. Which is more threatening, the use of tools of physical force to apprehend a criminal, or the use of genetic research to attempt to control thinking to prevent criminality?

The updating of vaccines, and antibiotics are of no benefit?

Sure it is, but independent of faith, such good works have already received their reward and are parlayed into evil by the Adversary.

27 posted on 04/05/2009 4:40:30 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

What examples do you have of this type of genetic research?

What do you mean, who is the adversary, and what is the evil?


28 posted on 04/05/2009 8:10:11 AM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: Cvengr

Torah and physics. No conflict here, or there, at all.


29 posted on 04/05/2009 8:50:39 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Cvengr

“Brain-scanning experiments carried out by scientists last week revealed that religious faith is embedded deep within key parts of the brain. This suggests that belief in a higher power evolved at some early point in human history.” ... Sounds eerily like “Opening the box, we found an array of tubes and circuits which suggest that such items were developed early on in the evolution of communication.’ It never occurs to these types to wonder at the meaning of a specific physiological structure which just may be the spacetime receiver for ‘other’ messaging.


30 posted on 04/05/2009 9:03:34 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MantillaMilitant

Well stated, although perhaps not the dual of one another.


31 posted on 04/05/2009 4:53:55 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Ira_Louvin
That is why there is peer-review, that process will weed out any ulterior motives.

Doesn't seem to work very well with global warming theories.

32 posted on 04/05/2009 4:56:00 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

Honestly, I am not as familiar with that subject as I should be.

What examples do you have that I can take a look at?


33 posted on 04/05/2009 6:44:01 PM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: Cvengr
Doesn't seem to work very well with global warming theories.

But haven't they passed the 'peer review'?

34 posted on 04/05/2009 6:54:04 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Bama and Company are reenacting the Pharaoh as told by Moses in Genesis!!!!!)
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To: Ira_Louvin

My first thought is, what a load of cr..!

I’ve seen that show me prof game so many times from democrats that it’s become a dead giveaway. And you know what? I don’t let democrats play silly head games with me.

It’s always the same. The dim bulbs try to show everyone, what they erroneously believe is their superior intelligence, by singling out a poster who disagrees with their point of view. Then they follow you around, ask for examples, they want you to give them articles, statistics, prof! of why you feel the way you feel, so they can try to make themselves feel superior to you.

I wont play that game. I will tell you though that I’ve seen science flip flop on so many issues over my life time that it’s a joke. But I don’t need to show you or any one else prof, or list statistics of all the examples that over the many years of my life have formed the belief system that I have.

A little piece of advice to all democrats. If you feel the need to try to prove your intelligence? Then it’s “YOU” that you are really trying to prove it to.


35 posted on 04/05/2009 8:00:18 PM PDT by GloriaJane (http://www.last.fm/music/Gloria+Jane/_/Baseball+Apple+Pie+And+Mom)
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To: GloriaJane

I do apologize if my post was taken the wrong way. I possibly could have worded it in a different manner

Believe me I am superior to no one. I am just trying to understand the basis you used to form your opinion.

I fully understand that this is a conservative form, and many of my personal views are very conservative.

I was raised in a very conservative republican household and still hold many of those beliefs

I guess we can just agree to disagree.

Thank you for your time, and Gold Bless America.


36 posted on 04/05/2009 8:24:44 PM PDT by Ira_Louvin (Go tell them people lost in sin, They need not fear the works of men.)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
If a scientists came & told me the sky was red, I would still know he was WRONG. I wouldn’t care if a million scientists all said the same thing. They would be WRONG, because I have a personal understanding that the sky is blue.

I'm color blind, and I have a "personal understanding" about what color things are that other people assure me is quite wrong.

37 posted on 04/05/2009 8:31:39 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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