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“Vlad - if you want to be taken seriously you won’t be so cryptic about what “kind” of work you do that lends itself to your being so in the know about these supposedly small numbers of people that do not have medical reasons for using birth control.”

Whether or not you take me seriously because I choose to protect my privacy, is not important to me. I don’t ask people here what they do, where they live, their real names, or addresses or anything else like that. I honor the privacy of people. Honor mine or move on.

“I would submit to you that it is much, much larger than you think.”

That would be, “much larger than you KNOW” and you’re still wrong.

“The bottom line is I do not think contraception is sinful.”

Christianity disagrees.

“And you are right, I do get emotional about arguments like this. There is nothing wrong with passion and passion makes one emotional.”

Incorrect. Passion does not necessitate the absence or loss of reason. When someone gets emotional they lose their reason. Be as passionate as you want. Being emotional is not being passionate. Being emotional is being uncontrolled.

“As for your claim that my friend with MS is not relevant to this exchange, she absolutely is, because she is exactly the type of individual who falls into the category of people that you believe is so minute.”

No. In post #56 I wrote this: “I didn’t mention it because it was completely irrelevant to what I was addressing.”

You’re whinning that I didn’t address you’re completely irrelevant comment about your friend. You wrote (now): “...because she is exactly the type of individual who falls into the category of people that you believe is so minute.”

Here is what I said in post #55: “Yeah, but only a small number at best, however. Most women use birth control BECAUSE it’s birth control.”

You original point was this: “Some people use contraception b/c the mother’s health is already in jeopardy (e.g. my friend with MS).”

In other words, I was absolutely correct and still am. Your friend’s choice to use birth control is ONE case and does nothing to disprove “Yeah, but only a small number at best, however. Most women use birth control BECAUSE it’s birth control.”

Again, it’s irrelevant.

“I am not avoiding any point here. As for outwardly intelligent, I am claiming no such thing. My friends know who I am and my qualities, regarding intelligence, charity, loyalty, and whatever qualities that would involve my character. You, on the otherhand, are claiming a form of righteousness by declaring that “contraception is a sin. period.””

No. CHRISTIANITY has always declared contraception to be sinful. I pointed that out earlier and even mentioned a book that makes that abundantly clear - a book you of course have never read and never heard of either. All you have on this issue is a friend with MS whose situation you mistakenly want to extrapolate to many more than actually exist.

“I bet people just flock to be around you when you spout all your beliefs.”

You would be surprised. And again, we see is personal attacks from you.

“While I assume you don’t follow the sinful practice of “contraception,” I wonder if you think the overt sins you do commit, or the sins you commit by omission, are somewhow less egregious than the evils of using birth control.”

Some are, some aren’t. In no case, however, do I claim that sin is not sin just because I want to excuse my own sinfulness. That’s what you’re doing. I’m far from perfect. My imperfection doesn’t keep me from recognizing or acknowledging the truth.

“I am not pretending that you are less a Christian than I am only that YOU are taking a superior position over Christians who do not believe it is a sin.”

No. CHRISTIANITY says it is sinful. There is no superiority on anyone’s part to simply state that truth. Up is still up. Down is still down. See, you repeatedly make this about your feelings. I told you you were emotional about this and you’re proving it. When you say something like “YOU are taking a superior position over Christians who do not believe it is a sin” you make yourself sound like a hurt child hiding a corner. Grow up! Christianity says birth control is wrong. Period. It always has and it always will. Period. Only those sects who have deviated from orthodox Christianity teach or think differently and that’s usually because of purely subjective, emotionally driven, convenience seeking, FEELINGS.

“Comments such as “I’m sure I know more than you do” are hilarious on sites such as this where you can pretend whatever fantasy you want.”

Let’s try again, then. Have you read Provan’s book? No, you never heard of it, right? Did you know ALL Christian groups - everywhere in the world - of any notable size and standing all condemned contraception AND THAT INCLUDES PROTESTANTS until just a few decades ago? No, apparently you knew none of that. I have researched this issue since l995. How about you? Have you read even a single book on it? Even one? No, apparently not.

“I’m sure you also have model good looks and have a body toned to perfection as well and have the voice of angels, 20/20 vision, etc. etc.”

I wish I did. In reality I don’t expect to be on this earth for too much longer with my health the way it is - maybe I will have the voice of an angel soon by default! What I do have is a great deal of knowledge and an active interaction with many people everyday (in real life I mean, not online) about some of the most challenging issues of the day: life, death, birth, out of wedlock pregnancies, divorces, problem kids who got that way because of divorce, atheism, Obama supporters, agnostics, fervant Christians, converts, backsliders, etc., etc. If you find it offensive that I am not afraid to admit I know more than you obviously do on this subject, well, too bad. Get used to it.

Talk about something I know nothing about instead. I know NOTHING about the television show Gossip Girl. Why don’t you talk about that somewhere around here?