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To: vladimir998

Did you know that the Catholic Church didn’t believe life began until birth until just about a century ago?

Compare St Jerome with Tertullian and Augustine.

There are some strong Scriptural arguments that contraception isn’t sinful.

It is sinful to promote sexual immorality or to condone it.


95 posted on 03/30/2009 7:25:58 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

You wrote:

“Did you know that the Catholic Church didn’t believe life began until birth until just about a century ago?”

You’re completely wrong. Although different men had different ideas as to when the “quickening” happened, even in the Middle Ages Catholics believed babies were alive at least 90 days in gestation.

“Compare St Jerome with Tertullian and Augustine.”

Okay: St. Jerome:

St Jerome c 342-420 said

“They drink potions to ensure sterility and are guilty of murdering a human being not yet conceived. Some, when they learn that they are with child through sin, practice abortion by the use of drugs. Frequently they die themselves and are brought before the rulers of the lower world guilty of three crimes: suicide, adultery against Christ, and murder of an unborn child.” -Letter 22:13

And your point is what?

Tertullian:

The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Tertullian, Treatise on the Soul, Chapter XXXVII. On the Formation and State of the Embryo, “The embryo therefore becomes a human being in the womb from the moment that its form is completed. The law of Moses, indeed, punishes with due penalties the man who shall cause abortion, inasmuch as there exists already the rudiment of a human being”, Grand Rapids, 1971.

And your point is what?

And that old canard about St. Augustine won’t work so don’t even try it.

“There are some strong Scriptural arguments that contraception isn’t sinful.”

Actually there are NONE. That’s why no one saw any there until the 20th century.

“It is sinful to promote sexual immorality or to condone it.”

And use of contraception as such is sexual immorality.


98 posted on 03/31/2009 3:56:04 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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