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But selfless charity is impossible without the Cross. Love and pain go together as condition and consequence. If I really love someone, including the unborn children that I can bring into the world, I am willing to pay the price of my love, which is pain.

That is why, over the years, I have come to define paganism as “Christianity without the Cross.”

1 posted on 03/29/2009 3:25:06 PM PDT by stfassisi
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Those who practice contraception can be militant in their claim that contraception does not undermine the foundation of the family.

They will give every conceivable reason for practicing artificial birth control:

2 posted on 03/29/2009 3:29:11 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

3 posted on 03/29/2009 3:33:07 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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To: stfassisi

A major point about contraception should not be neglected: that sex is uniquely for reproduction. And while it is pleasurable, if the emphasis of sex becomes pleasure, and not reproduction, a serious problem is encountered.

Finding a partner, mating, reproducing and raising children takes a great deal of energy. Some people have an abundance of energy, and some people have too little to even find a partner, much less mate. But most people have *enough* energy to go through the process.

Assuming they don’t waste their energy. So what happens if they do waste their energy?

All four processes become harder. The more sexual partners a person has had, the harder it is to find a mate. But this is just the start.

Have you ever seen a couple that try to have a child and fail? Even if all their parts are working properly, they try and try. You’ll note that they look increasingly tired an desperate. Today they will likely visit a fertility clinic.

And it gets harder. Pregnancy isn’t easy in the best of times, and a woman who is weak and tired really suffers. After giving birth, for many months she is just “used up”.

But the child needs energetic parents, not just to survive, but to thrive. The demands of children are exhausting, even to the strong.

Things don’t have to be this way, but our times and our culture call for recreational sex with multiple partners. Contraception makes this easier, but cannot evade the biological fact that sex is for reproduction, and that most people have just enough energy for that, an little or none to waste.


7 posted on 03/29/2009 3:57:11 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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I strongly disagree that love and pain are inseparable. God is Love. He is not pain.

The author misses the possibility of ethical contraception that does not end life - sterilization, barrier methods, and periodic abstinence.

Many millions of us would never consider abortion and have welcomed the Lord’s surprises when they come. However, we use the tools that we have which are ethical in order to space our children or even limit the numbers of children we have.

This is the message that we should give those who don’t want child after child. Love them into it, not “destroy” the bond we could have.

It is possible to divide Christians so many ways. And this is just one of them.


8 posted on 03/29/2009 3:59:52 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: stfassisi

Given the name of the author, are we sure this isn’t a joke?


15 posted on 03/29/2009 5:00:57 PM PDT by mdwakeup
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To: stfassisi
Press in a Dither Again over Pope’s Reaffirmation of Catholic Teaching
How Birth Control Changed America for the Worst
If You Are Contracepting, You Are Part of A Very Big Problem

Vatican and Italian government criticize sale of RU 486 in Italy
New Condom Ads Target Catholics, Latinos
St. Padre Pio, Humanae Vitae, and Mandatory Abortion
Responsible Parenthood in a Birth Control Culture, Part Two [Open]
Responsible Parenthood in a Birth Control Culture, Part One [Open]

Humanae Vitae and True Sexual Freedom — Part 6 of 6 [Open]
Contraception v. Natural Family Planning — Part 5 of 6 [Open]
Sex Speaks: True and False Prophets — Part 4 of 6 [Open]
Contraception and the Language of the Body — Part 3 of 6 [Open]
Does Contraception Foster Love? — Part 2 of 6 [Open]
Contraception and Cultural Chaos — Part 1 of 6 [Open]


Priests still suffering from effects of Humanae Vitae dissenters, Vatican cardinal says (Must read!)
"Provoking reflection" (Contrasting views on Humanae Vitae)
Humanae Vitae The Year of the Peirasmòs - 1968
Catholics to Pope: Lift the Birth Control Ban

[OPEN] The Vindication of Humanae Vitae
Catholic Clergy Challenge Colleagues to Reacquaint Themselves and Their People with Humanae Vitae
White House proposes wide "conscience clause" on abortion, contraception
THE EX CATHEDRA STATUS OF THE ENCYCLICAL "HUMANAE VITAE" [Catholic Caucus]
“A degrading poison that withers life”
Australia Study: 70 Percent of Women Seeking Abortions Used Contraception

[Fr. Thomas Euteneuer] In Persona Christi: The Priest and Contraception

A Challenging Truth, Part Two: The Day the Birth Control Died
A Challenging Truth, Part One: How Birth Control Works
Ten Challenges for the Pro-Life Movement in 2008
The concept of the "intrinsically evil"
Pope Tells Pharmacists Not to Dispense Drugs With 'Immoral Purposes'

Massive Study Finds the Pill Significantly Increases Cancer Risk if Used more than Eight Years
Birth Control Pill Creates Blood Clot Causing Death of Irish Woman
Seminarians Bring Church’s Teaching on Contraception, Sexuality to YouTube
Abortion and Contraception: Old Lies
History of Catholic teaching on Contraception

Pope: Legislation "Supporting Contraception and Abortion is Threatening the Future of Peoples"
Contraception: Why It's Wrong
On Fox News Fearless HLI Priest Takes on Sean Hannity (may be indebted for saving his soul)
VIDEO - SEAN HANNITY vs REV. THOMAS EUTENEUER (must see!)
The Early Church Fathers on Contraception - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus

Pope on divine love vs. erotic love
Conjugal Love and Procreation: God's Design
Being fruitful [Evangelicals and contraception]

21 posted on 03/29/2009 5:15:26 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: stfassisi

Contraception does not cause meaningless sex. PEOPLE cause meaningless sex.


22 posted on 03/29/2009 5:16:56 PM PDT by Julia H. (Remember when dissent was patriotic?)
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To: stfassisi
On the sixth day of creation God made created man and woman and told them

Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea(Genesis 1:28)

After God stopped the rains and the water finally receded. God told Noah to leave the ark and then told him,

Bring out with you every living thing of all flesh that is with you: birds and cattle and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth, so that they may abound on the earth, and be fruitful and multiply on the earth." (Genesis 8:17)

There is no where in the scriptures, not in the OT or the NT where God ever rescinded that command. Christians should all be having as many children as they can physically have. As far as financially being able to afford them, well have faith in God.

Unbelieving Christians have been aborting their children by the millions the last 30 years. They have also been using of birth control methods to limit the number of children they have. Christians should have by now outnumbered them by 2-1 in the population. Unfortunately Christians have been no better then the secular world. They may not be aborting their children, but they do use birth control. Could you imagine how things would be differently politically if only Christians practiced more faith in God?.

When the apostles asked Jesus to increase their faith, He told them,

Luk 17:6 So the Lord said, "If you have faith as a mustard seed, you can say to this mulberry tree, 'Be pulled up by the roots and be planted in the sea,' and it would obey you.(Luke 17:6)

Amreican Christians have not been practicing very strong faith and it shows in their children. Who have not been born.
28 posted on 03/29/2009 5:28:04 PM PDT by OneVike (Just a Christian waiting to go home)
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Yeah, that’s our problem. Not enough welfare mommas having babies.


34 posted on 03/29/2009 5:36:35 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: stfassisi

I’m ambivalent.

Using contraception to space or delay childbearing is not destroying the family. As a Catholic I would prefer my patients to use natural methods, but most of my patients weren’t Catholic, and alas there was no “couple to couple” league in the US to teach them natural family planning.

But the “culture of contraception” that sees children as a burden to be eliminated and sees sex as an activity that has no moral strings attached is what is killing the family.


81 posted on 03/30/2009 4:19:51 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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