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Either Stop Contraception or Destroy the Family
http://www.therealpresence.org/archives/Family/Family_007.htm ^ | unknown | Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J.

Posted on 03/29/2009 3:25:06 PM PDT by stfassisi

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But selfless charity is impossible without the Cross. Love and pain go together as condition and consequence. If I really love someone, including the unborn children that I can bring into the world, I am willing to pay the price of my love, which is pain.

That is why, over the years, I have come to define paganism as “Christianity without the Cross.”

1 posted on 03/29/2009 3:25:06 PM PDT by stfassisi
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Those who practice contraception can be militant in their claim that contraception does not undermine the foundation of the family.

They will give every conceivable reason for practicing artificial birth control:

2 posted on 03/29/2009 3:29:11 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

3 posted on 03/29/2009 3:33:07 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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4 posted on 03/29/2009 3:46:09 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: stfassisi

Did you ever think that some women use “birth control” for reasons OTHER than birth control and that birth control is an unwanted side effect? I’m guessing not. There are other medical issues with multiple births as well.

Most people I know practice contraception and are not militant about it at all. It’s a private issue. Some people use contraception b/c the mother’s health is already in jeopardy (e.g. my friend with MS).

Try to be charitable.


5 posted on 03/29/2009 3:54:43 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Paved Paradise

Please explain.


6 posted on 03/29/2009 3:55:34 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: stfassisi

A major point about contraception should not be neglected: that sex is uniquely for reproduction. And while it is pleasurable, if the emphasis of sex becomes pleasure, and not reproduction, a serious problem is encountered.

Finding a partner, mating, reproducing and raising children takes a great deal of energy. Some people have an abundance of energy, and some people have too little to even find a partner, much less mate. But most people have *enough* energy to go through the process.

Assuming they don’t waste their energy. So what happens if they do waste their energy?

All four processes become harder. The more sexual partners a person has had, the harder it is to find a mate. But this is just the start.

Have you ever seen a couple that try to have a child and fail? Even if all their parts are working properly, they try and try. You’ll note that they look increasingly tired an desperate. Today they will likely visit a fertility clinic.

And it gets harder. Pregnancy isn’t easy in the best of times, and a woman who is weak and tired really suffers. After giving birth, for many months she is just “used up”.

But the child needs energetic parents, not just to survive, but to thrive. The demands of children are exhausting, even to the strong.

Things don’t have to be this way, but our times and our culture call for recreational sex with multiple partners. Contraception makes this easier, but cannot evade the biological fact that sex is for reproduction, and that most people have just enough energy for that, an little or none to waste.


7 posted on 03/29/2009 3:57:11 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: stfassisi

I strongly disagree that love and pain are inseparable. God is Love. He is not pain.

The author misses the possibility of ethical contraception that does not end life - sterilization, barrier methods, and periodic abstinence.

Many millions of us would never consider abortion and have welcomed the Lord’s surprises when they come. However, we use the tools that we have which are ethical in order to space our children or even limit the numbers of children we have.

This is the message that we should give those who don’t want child after child. Love them into it, not “destroy” the bond we could have.

It is possible to divide Christians so many ways. And this is just one of them.


8 posted on 03/29/2009 3:59:52 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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I strongly disagree that love and pain are inseparable

Christ suffered pain out of love for mankind,so perhaps you should rethink this.

True love means that we would be willing to suffer for others.

Would you be willing to suffer to save the life of a child?

I would be willing to suffer pain out of love

9 posted on 03/29/2009 4:38:56 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Paved Paradise
Did you ever think that some women use “birth control” for reasons OTHER than birth control and that birth control is an unwanted side effect? I’m guessing not. There are other medical issues with multiple births as well.

Than call it something other than birth control!

10 posted on 03/29/2009 4:42:08 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: hocndoc

**I strongly disagree that love and pain are inseparable. God is Love. He is not pain.**

Are you saying that Christ’s love was OK, but the pain he suffered on the Cross for our sins is not?


11 posted on 03/29/2009 4:52:22 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
but our times and our culture call for recreational sex with multiple partners. Contraception makes this easier, but cannot evade the biological fact that sex is for reproduction, and that most people have just enough energy for that, an little or none to waste.

Your comments reflect an evil culture

Perhaps people should spend their energy in prayer rather than having meaningless sinful sex with multiple partners to selfishly please themselves.

12 posted on 03/29/2009 4:53:27 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: stfassisi

What’s wrong with having meaningless sinful sex? I’m just asking cause I’m human and would really just like know.


13 posted on 03/29/2009 4:55:31 PM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Salvation

You make a good point, going through pain is often necessary if you love someone. So they are linked, although they are not equivalent.

It is interesting to note that those who embrace an anti-family agenda (abortion, homo marriage, casual sex, porn, drug abuse, easy divorce, whatever) have the disadvantage of procreating a lot less.

Those who embrace a pro-family agenda procreate more, so I’m thinking they come out ahead in the end.

I don’t happen to think that non-abortive birth control is wrong, however, that’s not the point of my post.


14 posted on 03/29/2009 4:57:03 PM PDT by Marie2 (I don't know what that bird told you, but I'M Brian Fellows)
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To: stfassisi

Given the name of the author, are we sure this isn’t a joke?


15 posted on 03/29/2009 5:00:57 PM PDT by mdwakeup
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To: mdwakeup

That’s his real name, and get your mind out of the gutter.


16 posted on 03/29/2009 5:05:40 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: marajade
t’s wrong with having meaningless sinful sex?

It's sinful.

Meaningless sex is hatered of God's creation

17 posted on 03/29/2009 5:07:38 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: mdwakeup

Why would you say something like that?

Are you priest bashing?


18 posted on 03/29/2009 5:08:54 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Marie2

there is pain with any phase of life. Some of the secular world just tries to escape it via these other routes. Christ tells us that as we suffer here on earth, we will be rewarded in eternal life.

And oppositely, if we are rewarded here on earth, we will suffer immesasureably with a lifetime of suffering in hell.

I’ll suffer now, thanks. Heaven sounds much better to me than hell.


19 posted on 03/29/2009 5:11:59 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: stfassisi
Here's a good reflection on suffering from Laetare Sunday.

Joy-Filled Suffering, Laetare Sunday

20 posted on 03/29/2009 5:14:27 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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