Posted on 03/28/2009 2:49:11 PM PDT by NYer
“The way I understand it, the only time an Orthodox believer is allowed to approach a Latin priest (allowed by Rome, that is) is in case of grave emergency. And Latins are allowed to approach an Orthodox priest in similar circumstances.”
That’s my understanding, too.
Seems to me, even if apples were oranges, it's a bit rude to ignore what you know is the policy of any organization which permits you to attend their events.
OK, just wanted to be clear. Seems to me a good policy which allows for emergency access to what are valid priests, yet recognizes that in normal circumstances our lack of inter-communion is a reality.
“.....the teaching of the Catholic Church that transubtantiation does NOT occur in Anglican services....”
Very few Anglicans believe in trasubtantiation any way. For the traditional Anglican position, See Article XXVIII of the 39 Articles of Religion:
XXVIII. Of the Lord’s Supper.
The Supper of the Lord is not only a sign of the love that Christians ought to have among themselves one to another, but rather it is a Sacrament of our Redemption by Christ’s death: insomuch that to such as rightly, worthily, and with faith, receive the same, the Bread which we break is a partaking of the Body of Christ; and likewise the Cup of Blessing is a partaking of the Blood of Christ.
Transubstantiation (or the change of the substance of Bread and Wine) in the Supper of the Lord, cannot be proved by Holy Writ; but is repugnant to the plain words of Scripture, overthroweth the nature of a Sacrament, and hath given occasion to many superstitions.
The Supper of the Lord is not only a sign of the love that Christians ought to have among themselves one to another, but rather it is a Sacrament of our Redemption by Christ’s death: insomuch that to such as rightly, worthily, and with faith, receive the same, the Bread which we break is a partaking of the Body of Christ; and likewise the Cup of Blessing is a partaking of the Blood of Christ.
The Body of Christ is given, taken, and eaten, in the Supper, only after an heavenly and spiritual manner. And the mean whereby the Body of Christ is received and eaten in the Supper, is Faith.
The Sacrament of the Lord’s Supper was not by Christ’s ordinance reserved, carried about, lifted up, or worshipped
I wonder how many Episcopalians know or care about the articles of religion these days.
Catholics, despite what you may have been told, do not pray to Mary or the saints. We ask for their intervention.
I think this is not quite true. Pray means nothing more than to ask humbly. It comes from the Latin which translates as 'to entreat.' Therefore we Catholics actually do pray to Mary. I understand what you are trying to do in drawing a distinction between how we pray to our Lady and how we pray to the Lord. I think you are right in seeing a distinction there. However, I cannot agree that it would mean we don't pray to the saints at all. The problem is not that we pray, but that we haven't helped people understand why doing so is right and proper, which it of course is.
“It says, “I am in communion with the Catholic Church despite not being in communion with the Catholic Church.”
No, it says I am in communion with CHRIST, which is far more important than ANY church.
“No, it says I am in communion with CHRIST,...”
That’s an odd notion. Communion with Christ? Where did this come from?
“The way I understand it, the only time an Orthodox believer is allowed to approach a Latin priest (allowed by Rome, that is) is in case of grave emergency.”
I was too quick in my response. In point of fact, Rome allows me to receive communion at any Mass. Orthodoxy forbids me to do so, though in an emergency I can and an Orthodox priest would give the sacraments to a Latin in the same circumstances, though not otherwise.
Does medicine only work if the patient fully understands what it is and how it works? Do doctors need to provide their patients an education in chemistry and a pharmacy before adminstering drugs? The medicine, administered properly is good for the sick patient. It matters not what the patient understands of the medicine.
The Body and Blood are good and nourishing to the faithful. Does that change if the partaker does not fully understand its significance? Does anyone really fully understand this sacrament?
You sound like a Donatist.
The “transubstantiation” referred to in Article XXVIII referes to the notion that the bread and wine cease being bread and wine and become flesh and blood. We are only visually fooled into seeing bread and wine. This is the Eucharistic equivalent of the heresy that says Christ is divine but not human. Christ is fully God and fully man. The elements of the Eucharist are fully Body and Blood and fully bread and wine. This is what is now called “Real Presence”. A careful review of the Anglican liturgy, particularly the Prayer of Humble Access, reveals this. To that end, Anglicans, Orhtodox and Catholics are today essentially agreed on the doctrine of the Eucharist.
It's irrelevant what you agree with.
If my children were with me at a Catholic Mass I would not hesitate to take them to Communion since they have already received at the Episcopal church we go to.
You and your children are Protestants, not Catholics. I suggest you review 1 Corinthians 11 and correct your erroneous rationalization of what you would do.
Are you also aware that Luther prayed the rosary daily until his death?
People who don’t receive Communion can come forward for a blessing with their arms crossed across their chest. Many do it. Why doesn’t this individual want to come forward for a special blessing by the priest?
Are you sure that these Lutherans don’t embrace consubstantiation?
Are you a baptized Catholic?
Why don’t you sit down with a priest and talk about your reasons for leaving for awhile.
The truth remains that you are still a Catholic.
We don’t pray “to” the Blessed Virgin Mary. We ask her to intercede for her. We always ASK!
They start from a murky assumption and lead each other into a ditch, but hey, it hurts so good
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