The Second Coming Happened Already

[OPREV]

Nineteen hundred and seventy five years ago, This is the discussion that went on between Jesus and his disciples -

Mat 24:3 As Jesus sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him in private. "Tell us when all this will be," they asked, "and what will happen to show that it is the time for your coming and the end of the age."

Mat 24:4 Jesus answered, ....

Mat 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky; and all the peoples of the land will weep as they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mat 24:31 The great trumpet will sound, and he will send out his angels to the four corners of the earth, and they will gather his chosen people from one end of the world to the other.

And the most important part ----

Mat 24:34 Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died.

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Jesus told the disciples he would come back and take them to heaven in their lifetime. If he didn't come back, then, he lied.

Another translation of verse 34

Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till ALL these things be accomplished.

Jesus told the disciples that their generation would not pass away, until he came back and took them to heaven.

Jesus came back, in the 1st century, like he said he would, and, his angels gathered the elect and they went back to heaven. Which means, we live in the millenium.

Rev 20:4 ...and I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, ... and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The Greek word used for the "thousand years" is chilioi. Chilioi is a plural word, meaning, 2000, or more. Thus, the millenium would be 2000 or more years.

And we would be at this point in history -

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are finished, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Rev 20:8 and shall come forth to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Rev 20:9 And they went up over the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down out of heaven, and devoured them.

And the next thing we would see is, the Bride coming out of Heaven

Rev 21:9 And there came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls, who were laden with the seven last plagues; and he spake with me, saying, Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the wife of the Lamb.

Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,

Jesus came back & the early church left, with him. The rapture is past, the beast & false prophet also, the two witnesses are long gone, as are the 144,000. We live at the very end of history, when Satan is let loose, the armies from the North attack God's people, fire from the sky comes down and kills them, and there is a new heaven and new earth. And the final act is the Bride coming out of heaven. And then it's over. :)

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[Cvengr]

That is one interpretation fraught with numerous problems, the least of which is that if such were true, the God doesn’t believe in communicating the true meaning of His Word when He unilaterally issues a contract with those men He unilaterally gives His Word.

[caseinpoint]

Well then, guess I’ll look forward to the Third Coming.

[OPREV]

That is one interpretation fraught with numerous problems

Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

There is no problem. Jesus said it. Therefore it must be true. ;) :)

[OPREV]

Lol. Amen! Good attitude (not to mention funny). ;)

[2ndDivisionVet]

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.

And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

Mark 13:32-37

[OPREV]

Yes, Vet. That would be in the past. He was talking to his disciples. He told them to watch, not us. ;) :)

[kjam22]

Often people quote one verse from that chapter and then try to claim Jesus was wrong. They often quote the "this generation verse" as if Jesus was telling each of them that they would personally see the 2nd coming. Yet about 2 verses prior to that Jesus tells them they will be handed over and killed.

I've always believed that he was speaking of the generation of the fig tree. (another reference in the text) The generation that would be here when the end comes. Clearly he wasn't telling the disciples that they would see it.

[freedom9]

I think that he was most likely referring to the generation which would be present to witness all of the particular signs of which he spoke.

[kjam22]

Yep.... it's difficult to argue that everything he said was directed at the disciples and at them alone. He says they'll be handed over and killed. And he also says to watch and stand strong until the end. And that "you" will see the son of man coming in the clouds.

And the context of the question was "what will happen in the end?"

[Cvengr]

I encourage us to remain in faith through Christ, so that God the Holy Spirit guides our understanding of His Word, instead of our soul guiding our understanding independent of His work in us.

[OPREV]

Mat 23:35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar.

Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

He was talking to the generation he lived in. Jerusalem was judged for all of the righteous blood shed on the earth in 70AD.

[OPREV]

Exo 1:6 And Joseph died, and all his brethren, and all that generation.

Deu 1:35 Surely there shall not one of these men of this evil generation see the good land, which I sware to give unto your fathers,

2Ki 15:12 This was the word of Jehovah which he spake unto Jehu, saying, Thy sons to the fourth generation shall sit upon the throne of Israel. And so it came to pass.

Mat 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall stand up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonah;

Mat 16:4 An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of Jonah. And he left them, and departed.

He was speaking of the generation he lived in, not ours.

[OPREV]

I encourage us to remain in faith through Christ, so that God the Holy Spirit guides our understanding of His Word, instead of our soul guiding our understanding independent of His work in us.

Lol. I have the holy Spirit, i.e., the Spirit of Christ. :)

[knarf]

Amen brother, Amen.

[freedom9]

You must be very powerful to have both the spirit of Christ and The Holy Spirit, rather than them having you.

And I guess I best be re-reading the history books and make a concerted effort to be more diligent in study as I totally missed mention of the following signs.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

[ScubieNuc]

Ok, I get it that you think that Jesus was talking about the generation that he was living in. I disagree, with your limited overview, but I get it.

What I don't get is why are you busying yourself in trying to stir up others who don't believe as you? Are you a new Christian? Do you not know this topic has been looked at for about 2000 years, and you aren't going to settle it on FR?

Instead of trying to stir up an untenable battle among believers, why not find a topic or mission that builds up the body? It's one thing to take a stand for what you believe and be able to give an answer for what you believe. It is entirely another thing to try to generate arguments for arguments sake.

Galatians 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

[Quix]

That article is a pile of stinking UNMITIGATED BRAZEN BALDERDASH FROM HELL. It's purpose is to seed confusion and delusion about crucial END TIMES prophecies and Biblical Truths instead of facilitate understanding about them--understanding greatly needed in this era. Folks must walk close enough to, with and in Holy Spirit to be able to discern WHAT THE TRUTHS OF GOD REALLY ARE ABOUT SUCH MATTERS.

The generation which saw Israel become a nation again in a day in 1948

will not completely die off until all the rest of the END TIMES prophecies [i.e. those up through Armageddon and the beginning of the Millenial reign of Christ] are fulfilled.

NO OTHER INTERPRETATION MAKES SENSE WITH THE COUNSEL OF THE WHOLE OF SCRIPTURE.

NO OTHER INTERPRETATION MAKES SENSE WITH UNDISTORTED FACTS OF HISTORY.

BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.

If you get tired of reading trash from the enemy of your soul, you might consider some prayerful preparations . . . such as those themes mentioned at post # 71 here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2212782/posts?page=152#61

CHRIST HIMSELF SAID TO WATCH . . . the parable about the 10 virgins was about BEING READY. The hogwash at the top of this thread is about going back to sleep; willful blindness and hell-fostered deception about the times and priorities we live amidst. May God have mercy on all who read such lies from hell. May HE GIVE THEM TRUTH TO COUNTER ACT SUCH LIES IN THEIR INNER MAN, BY HIS SPIRIT.

LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED.

[OPREV]

I didn’t know the truth was foolish questioning.